Heron's formula?!

Geometry Level 4

Let A B C \triangle ABC be an triangle with A B = 11 A C AB=11AC and B C = 120 c m BC=120cm . Find the maximum value of the area of A B C \triangle ABC (in centimeters square)

Heron's formula


The answer is 660.

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Steven Jim
Apr 27, 2018

How I did the problem (elementarily):

Let I, J be points on BC so that I B I C = J B J C = 11 \frac{IB}{IC}=\frac{JB}{JC}=11 , which means that AI is the internal bisector of angle BAC, and AI is the external bisector of BAC, which means that AI is always perpendicular to AJ, or the locus of A is a circle with diameter IJ. From here, we can calculate the value of IJ, which is 120 11 + 1 + 120 11 1 = 22 \frac { 120 }{ 11+1 } +\frac { 120 }{ 11-1 } = 22 .

Let AH be the altitude to BC, we can see that AH is at most half the diameter IJ or A H = 11 AH=11 , which means the maximum of the triangle is 660 660 .

P/S: If A B A C = a \frac{AB}{AC}=a and B C = b BC=b , the maximum value of the triangle is a b 2 2 ( a 2 1 ) \frac{ab^2}{2(a^2-1)} .

Atman Kar
May 9, 2018

s = a + b + c 2 s =\frac{a + b + c}{2}\ where a = 120 a = 120 and c = 11 b c = 11b

Using Heron's formula, we get,

( 60 + 6 b ) ( 60 + 5 b ) ( 60 5 b ) ( 60 6 b ) \sqrt {(60 + 6b)(60 + 5b)(60 - 5b)(60 - 6b)} = ( 36 b 2 3600 ) ( 3600 25 b 2 ) \sqrt {(36{b}^2 - 3600)(3600 - 25{b}^2)} = 30 ( b 2 100 ) ( 144 b 2 ) 30 * \sqrt {({b}^2 - 100)(144 - {b}^2)}

Now, from AM-GM inequality,

b 2 100 + 144 b 2 2 ( b 2 100 ) ( 144 b 2 ) \frac{{b}^2 - 100 + 144 - {b}^2}{2}\ \geq \sqrt {({b}^2 - 100)(144 - {b}^2)}

Therefore, the maximum value of 30 ( b 2 100 ) ( 144 b 2 ) = 30 144 100 2 = 660 30 * \sqrt {({b}^2 - 100)(144 - {b}^2)} = 30 * \frac{144 - 100}{2}\ = \boxed {660}

Exactly how I did it

Rudrayan Kundu - 2 years, 7 months ago
Nicola Mignoni
Apr 27, 2018

Let's consider B = ( 0 , 0 ) B=(0,0) , C = ( 120 , 0 ) C=(120,0) and A = ( x , y ) A=(x,y) . Since A B = 11 A C AB=11AC we can write

( x 120 ) 2 + y 2 = 11 x 2 + y 2 \displaystyle \sqrt{(x-120)^2+y^2}=11\sqrt{x^2+y^2} .

Considering x 0 x \geq 0 and y 0 y \geq 0 , we can square both sides. After some algebra the equation simplifies to

( x + 1 ) 2 + y 2 = 121 y = 121 ( x + 1 ) 2 \displaystyle (x+1)^2+y^2=121 \hspace{5pt} \Longrightarrow \hspace{5pt} y=\sqrt{121-(x+1)^2} .

The area A A is

A ( x ) = 1 2 120 121 ( x + 1 ) 2 \displaystyle A(x)=\frac{1}{2} \cdot 120 \cdot \sqrt{121-(x+1)^2} .

Let's maximize it, finding its critical point

d A d x = 60 ( x + 1 ) 121 ( x + 1 ) 2 = 0 x = 1 \displaystyle \frac{dA}{dx}=-\frac{60(x+1)}{\sqrt{121-(x+1)^2}}=0 \hspace{5pt} \Longrightarrow \hspace{5pt} x=-1

Eventually A ( 1 ) = 660 \displaystyle A(-1)=\boxed{660}

It's actually a trap. For you to use the Heron's formula as an inequality, equality holds iff ABC is an equilateral triangle. Do you think it will ever happen?

Steven Jim - 3 years, 1 month ago

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I didn't even tried Heron's formula because I didnt remember it (and I didn't see the link). The solution I wrote was the first approach that came to my mind

Nicola Mignoni - 3 years, 1 month ago

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Actually, you can use Heron like Max did, but after all it still includes Calculus. Solving this problem elementarily is a bit tough, especially when all you have learnt is a 2 + b 2 2 a b a^2+b^2 \ge 2ab . My friend did it this way (and failed, ofc): A 2 = s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) s ( 3 s a b c ) 3 8 = s 4 8 A^{ 2 }=s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)\le s\frac { (3s-a-b-c)^{ 3 } }{ 8 } =\frac { s^{ 4 } }{ 8 } or A s 2 2 2 A \le \frac { { s }^{ 2 } }{ 2\sqrt { 2 } }

Steven Jim - 3 years, 1 month ago

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@Steven Jim Heron's formula can be effectively used with no calculus as in my solution.

Niranjan Khanderia - 3 years, 1 month ago

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@Niranjan Khanderia Well, depends on how you define "effective". Yes, you can do it, though it might take a lot longer.

Steven Jim - 3 years ago

( x 120 ) 2 + y 2 = 11 x 2 + y 2 . S q u a r i n g 240 x + 12 0 2 = 120 ( x 2 + y 2 ) . y 2 = x 2 2 x + 120 = 121 ( x + 1 ) 2 . M a x i m u m o f y 2 i s c l e a r l y w h e n ( x + 1 ) 2 = 0. ( N o n e e d t o u s e c a l c u l u s . ) y m a x = 11. A r e a = 1 2 120 11 = 660 \sqrt{(x-120)^2+y^2}=11\sqrt{x^2+y^2}.\\ Squaring~ - 240x+120^2=120(x^2+y^2).\\ \implies~y^2= - x^2-2x+120=121-(x+1)^2.\\ Maximum~ of~y^2~is~clearly~~when~ - (x+1)^2=0.~~(No ~need~to~use~calculus.)\\ \implies ~y_{max}=11.\\ \therefore~Area~=\frac 1 2*120*11=660

Niranjan Khanderia - 3 years, 1 month ago

Used herons formula... got 655.7

Answered 656, 657 and 658...answer is 660...

Anyone more frustrated than me?

Skanda Prasad - 3 years ago

L e t t h e s i d e s b e ( a , b , c ) = ( 120 , x , 11 x ) . S = 1 2 ( 120 + 12 x ) = 60 + 6 x . B u t A r e a = S ( S a ) ( S b ) ( S c ) . A r e a = 6 ( x + 10 ) 6 ( x 10 ) 5 ( x + 12 ) 5 ( x + 12 ) = 30 ( x 2 100 ) ( x 2 + 144 ) = 30 x 4 + 244 x 2 14400 = 30 2 2 2 ( x 2 122 ) 2 M a x i m u m a r e a w h e n ( x 2 122 ) 2 = 0. A r e a m a x = 660. Let~the~sides~be~~~~(a,~b,~c)=(120,~ x,~ 11x).\\ \therefore~S=\frac 1 2 (120+12x)=60+6x.\\ But~Area=\sqrt {S(S-a)(S-b)(S-c)}.\\ \therefore~Area=\sqrt{6*(x+10)*6*(x-10)*5*(x+12)*5*( - x+12)} \\ =30\sqrt{(x^2-100)*( - x^2+144 )} \\ = 30\sqrt{ - x^4+244x^2-14400} \\ = 30\sqrt{22^2 -( x^2-122)^2} \\ Maximum~area~when~~ ( x^2-122)^2=0.\\ \therefore~~Area_{max}=\Large~~\color{#D61F06}{660}.

Max Weinstein
Apr 27, 2018

Here's the solution that uses Heron's area formula:

(This isn't necessary, but I set A C = x AC=x , so A B = 11 x AB=11x .)

For Heron's formula, you need to first find the semi-perimeter (half of the perimeter), s = A B + A C + B C 2 = 11 x + x + 120 2 = 12 x + 120 2 = 6 x + 60 s=\frac{AB+AC+BC}{2}=\frac{11x+x+120}{2}=\frac{12x+120}{2}=6x+60 .

Heron's area formula for a triangle with sides a , b , c a,b,c and semi-perimeter s s is

A = s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) A=\sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)} .

Plugging in what we have so far, we get that

A = ( 6 x + 60 ) ( 6 x + 60 120 ) ( 6 x + 60 x ) ( 6 x + 60 11 x ) = ( 6 x + 60 ) ( 6 x 60 ) ( 60 + 5 x ) ( 60 5 x ) = ( 36 x 2 6 0 2 ) ( 6 0 2 25 x 2 ) A=\sqrt{(6x+60)(6x+60-120)(6x+60-x)(6x+60-11x)}=\sqrt{(6x+60)(6x-60)(60+5x)(60-5x)}=\sqrt{(36x^2-60^2)(60^2-25x^2)}

Finding the maximum by finding the critical points (I'm going to skip the differentiation and simplification steps, they're not the important part here):

d A d x = 3600 x ( 122 x 2 ) 60 ( x 2 100 ) ( 144 x 2 ) \frac{dA}{dx}=\frac{3600x(122-x^2)}{60\sqrt{(x^2-100)(144-x^2)}}

You might be tempted to plug in x = 122 x=\sqrt{122} . And you can. But, you can save a little time if you notice that we have the area formula in terms of x 2 x^2 , so you can also plug in x 2 = 122 x^2=122 .

Regardless, plugging in gives us A = 660 A=660

True, but that's not what I meant. If you use Heron's formula like A 2 = s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) s ( 3 s a b c ) 3 8 = s 4 8 A^{ 2 }=s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)\le s\frac { (3s-a-b-c)^{ 3 } }{ 8 } =\frac { s^{ 4 } }{ 8 } or A s 2 2 2 A \le \frac { { s }^{ 2 } }{ 2\sqrt { 2 } } , then you'll make the mistake immediately. (My friend made it, haven't learnt Calculus to realize that)

Steven Jim - 3 years, 1 month ago

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