Hidden Roots ........

Calculus Level 2

The function f ( x ) = x 3 11 x 2 + 19 x + 13 f(x)= x^{3}-11x^{2} +19x+13 has zeros a 1 , a 2 , a 3 . a_{1},a_{2},a_{3}. Then what is the value of [ a 1 ] + [ a 2 ] + [ a 3 ] ? [ a_{1} ]+[ a_{2} ]+[ a_{3} ]?

Note: [ m ] [m] Represents the greatest integer less than or equal to m . m.


The answer is 9.

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8 solutions

Shubhendra Singh
Sep 15, 2014

On drawing the graph of the polynomial it will intersect x x axis 3 times. Between -1 and 0 , b/w 2 and 3 and b/w 8 and 9 so simply by the answer would become -1 +2+8 =9.

I think once you draw the graph the question is so very easy :D.

Shubhendra Singh - 6 years, 9 months ago

@shubhendra singh wow i am so clumsy, i added wrong on my third try and got 10

Mardokay Mosazghi - 6 years, 8 months ago

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@Mardokay Mosazghi hard luck :( ........ and great you seem to have a good amount of followers.

Shubhendra Singh - 6 years, 8 months ago

Let's use Cardano's method:

Make the substitution x = y + 11 3 x=\dfrac{y+11}{3} to delete the quadratic term, and multiply by 27 27 :

( y + 11 3 ) 3 11 ( y + 11 3 ) 2 + 19 ( y + 11 3 ) + 13 = 0 y 3 192 y 430 = 0 \left(\dfrac{y+11}{3}\right)^3-11\left(\dfrac{y+11}{3}\right)^2+19\left(\dfrac{y+11}{3}\right)+13=0 \\ y^3-192y-430=0

Now, compare that equation with the identity ( u + v ) 3 3 u v ( u + v ) ( u 3 + v 3 ) = 0 (u+v)^3-3uv(u+v)-(u^3+v^3)=0 . An equation system will be formed:

y = u + v 3 u v = 192 u 3 v 3 = 262144 u 3 + v 3 = 430 y=u+v \\ 3uv=192 \Longrightarrow u^3v^3=262144 \\ u^3+v^3=430

Make an equation in z z with roots u 3 u^3 and v 3 v^3 :

( z u 3 ) ( z v 3 ) = z 2 ( u 3 + v 3 ) z + u 3 v 3 = 0 z 2 430 z + 262144 = 0 (z-u^3)(z-v^3)=z^2-(u^3+v^3)z+u^3v^3=0 \\ z^2-430z+262144=0

Using the quadratic formula we get:

z = 215 ± 3 23991 i z=215 \pm 3\sqrt{23991}i

Now, let's find the absolute value and the argument of z z :

z = 21 5 2 + ( 3 23991 ) 2 z = 512 |z|=\sqrt{215^2+(3\sqrt{23991})^2} \\ |z|=512

arg ( z ) = s g n ( I m ( z ) ) arccos ( R e ( z ) z ) arg ( z ) = ± arccos ( 215 512 ) \arg(z)=sgn(Im(z))\arccos\left(\dfrac{Re(z)}{|z|}\right) \\ \arg(z)=\pm \arccos\left(\dfrac{215}{512}\right)

So,

u = z 3 c i s ( arg ( z ) 3 ) u=\sqrt[3]{|z|} cis\left(\dfrac{\arg(z)}{3}\right) , v = z 3 c i s ( arg ( z ) 3 ) v=\sqrt[3]{|z|} cis\left(-\dfrac{\arg(z)}{3}\right)

y = u + v = 2 z 3 cos ( arg ( z ) 3 ) y=u+v=2\sqrt[3]{|z|} \cos\left(\dfrac{\arg(z)}{3}\right)

The imaginary parts are cancelled because u u and v v are complex conjugates.

y = 16 cos ( 1 3 arccos ( 215 512 ) + 2 π k 3 ) y=16 \cos \left(\dfrac{1}{3} \arccos\left(\dfrac{215}{512}\right)+\dfrac{2 \pi k}{3}\right) for k = 0 , 1 , 2 k={0,1,2} .

Finally,

x 1 = 16 cos ( 1 3 arccos ( 215 512 ) ) + 11 3 8.6212 x_{1}=\dfrac{16 \cos \left(\dfrac{1}{3} \arccos\left(\dfrac{215}{512}\right)\right)+11}{3} \approx 8.6212

x 2 = 16 cos ( 1 3 arccos ( 215 512 ) + 2 π 3 ) + 11 3 0.5201 x_{2}=\dfrac{16 \cos \left(\dfrac{1}{3} \arccos\left(\dfrac{215}{512}\right)+\dfrac{2 \pi}{3}\right)+11}{3} \approx -0.5201

x 3 = 16 cos ( 1 3 arccos ( 215 512 ) + 4 π 3 ) + 11 3 2.8989 x_{3}=\dfrac{16 \cos \left(\dfrac{1}{3} \arccos\left(\dfrac{215}{512}\right)+\dfrac{4 \pi}{3}\right)+11}{3} \approx 2.8989

x 1 + x 2 + x 3 = 8 1 + 2 = 9 \lfloor x_1 \rfloor+\lfloor x_2 \rfloor+\lfloor x_3 \rfloor=8-1+2=\boxed{9}

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devansh shringi - 6 years, 4 months ago
Kartik Sharma
Nov 10, 2014

Try looking for the values of f(x) for a few integers.

For negative integers, the polynomial tends to become 'more' negative as we can easily see. Hence, there would be no negative root. But, f(0) is positive while f(-1) is negative, as a result there has to be a root in between x = 0 and x = -1.

Now, we can look that

f ( 1 ) = 22 , f ( 2 ) = 15 , f ( 3 ) = 2 f(1) = 22, f(2) = 15, f(3) = -2

Hence, there has to be a root between x = 2 and x = 3

Now, for getting the next root, use Vieta,

a 1 + a 2 + a 3 = 11 {a}_{1} + {a}_{2} + {a}_{3} = 11

a 1 {a}_{1} would be 2. x (2. x means 2 and '.' means decimal point and x is some number after decimal point)

Similarly, a 2 {a}_{2} would be -0. y

Therefore, 2. x 0. y + a 3 = 11 2. x - 0. y + {a}_{3} = 11

Now, as f(3) = -2 and f(2) = 15. it is almost certain that a 1 > 2.5 {a}_{1} > 2.5 .

As a result, 2. x 0. y 2. z 2. x - 0. y \approx 2. z

a 3 = 11 2. z {a}_{3} = 11 - 2. z

As a result a 3 {a}_{3} will be 8. w 8. w

Therefore, [ a 1 ] + [ a 2 ] + [ a 3 ] = [ 2. x ] + [ 0. y ] + [ 8. w ] = 2 1 + 8 = 9 [{a}_{1}] + [{a}_{2}] + [{a}_{3}] = [2. x] + [-0. y] + [8. w] = 2 - 1 + 8 = \boxed{9}

I hope this is the desired approach.

Kartik Sharma - 6 years, 7 months ago

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Actually f(2)=-5 if am right.. so another root lies between 1 and 2

Also the last root lies between 9 and 10 and the other between 0 and -1

adding we get 1-1+9 = 9

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 7 months ago

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No, it is correct! Check it again!

Kartik Sharma - 6 years, 7 months ago

we can use newtens method to approximate the root using calculator

Mohammed Majeed - 1 year, 10 months ago
Parth Lohomi
Sep 15, 2014

On taking out the roots of the equation we get three roots

-0.5

2.8

8.6

GIF of -0.5=-1

Of 2.8 =2

Of 8.6=8

Thus we get sum as 8+2+(-1)=9

@Parth Lohomi How did you manage to find out the roots ????

Shubhendra Singh - 6 years, 9 months ago

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plotted a graph and looked for nearest value (digits after 1 decimal place are imaginary)

Parth Lohomi - 6 years, 9 months ago

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That's nothing different from my solution. I think you should have mentioned the use of graph in your solution

Shubhendra Singh - 6 years, 9 months ago

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@Shubhendra Singh Okay I agree thats like your solution but i have given approximate values too but still i am upvoting your solution

Parth Lohomi - 6 years, 9 months ago

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@Parth Lohomi Thanks for that . I just wanted to make your solution much better rather than criticizing it :D

Shubhendra Singh - 6 years, 9 months ago

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@Shubhendra Singh No problem @shubhendra singh .My pleasure

Parth Lohomi - 6 years, 9 months ago

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@Parth Lohomi Hey YOU used WOLFRAM ALPHA

Mehul Chaturvedi - 6 years, 7 months ago

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@Mehul Chaturvedi No man I do questions by my own you can not say anything to anyone

Parth Lohomi - 6 years, 7 months ago

Graphing is CHEATING!!!

Satyam Bhardwaj - 6 years, 7 months ago
Sundar R
Jun 30, 2017

I used the Newton Raphson algorithm with an initial value of 2 and obtained 2.898927 as one of the roots. Then we use the sum and product of the roots to locate the other 2 roots using the quadratic formula. The roots being 0.650, 2.899 & 7.451 giving values of 0, 2 and 7 and hence 9 as the required answer

a 1 1 < [ a 1 ] a 1 a_1-1 < [a_1] \leq a_1 ...(1)

a 2 1 < [ a 2 ] a 2 a_2-1 < [a_2] \leq a_2 ...(2)

a 3 1 < [ a 3 ] a 3 a_3-1 < [a_3] \leq a_3 ...(3)

Also a 1 + a 2 + a 3 = 11 a_1+a_2+a_3=11

adding (1),(2) and (3), we get

8 < S u m 11 8 < Sum \leq 11

So answer is 9 , 10 or 11.

Incredible Mind
Dec 22, 2014

u can do this without graphs by mere guessing values and when a sign change occurs between n and n+1 , [root]=n .Then just add up

Mvs Saketh
Nov 10, 2014

Well i do not know if there is an algebraic method, i used graph.

we can differentiate the function and check that it has a maxima sligtly to the right of 0 and minima slightly to the leftof 7

Also at x=1 y is positive. And at x=2 negative . so one of the roots GIF is 1

next on putting x=-1 we get negative value

so another roots GIF is -1

now i know that minima lies at very close to 7. it is likely that roots lie at (8,9) or (9,10)

we can check again by sign method that it lies between (9,10) So third GIF is 9.

adding we get 9

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