Hitting the target in two different ways

Electrons are accelerated by an electron gun. As the electrons exit the gun they are deflected by a uniform magnetic field of fixed magnitude B B directed into the page. The electrons hit a small (point-like) target T T . An experimentalist noticed that if the magnetic field is directed along the line O T \overline{OT} the electrons also hit the target T T . For what minimum angle α m i n \alpha_{min} in degrees is this possible? Assume that all electrons have the same initial velocity.


The answer is 72.3.

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David Mattingly Staff
Oct 29, 2013

When the magnetic field is into the page the electrons describe a segment of a circular path, call it P1. Let v v be the speed of the electrons. The radius of the orbit is obtained from q v B = m v 2 R R = m v q B qvB=m \frac{ v^{2}}{R} \Rightarrow R=\frac{mv}{q B} If d d is the distance from point O to point T, then simple trigonometry yields sin ( α ) = d 2 R . \sin(\alpha) =\frac{d}{2 R}. Theferore, the magnitude of the magnetic field equals B = 2 sin ( α ) m v q d . B=2 \sin(\alpha) \frac{mv}{q d} . When the magnetic field is directed along the line O T \overline{OT} the motion of the particles is more complex. In this case, their motion can be decomposed into circular motion and constant velocity motion. As a consequence, the electrons move in a helical path. The radius of the helix is in this case is r = m v q B . r=\frac{m v_{\perp}}{q B}. where v = v sin ( α ) v_{\perp}= v \sin(\alpha) . The period, however, is independent of α \alpha . T = 2 π r v = 2 π m q B T= \frac{2 \pi r}{v_{\perp}}=\frac{2 \pi m}{q B} The motion along the z-axis is given by the equation z ( t ) = v t = v cos ( α ) t z(t)= v_{\parallel} t= v \cos(\alpha)t Thus the time it takes for the electrons to reach the coordinate z = d z=d is τ = d v cos ( α ) \tau=\frac{d}{v \cos(\alpha)} . The electrons hit the target if τ = n T \tau= n T with n = 1 , 2 n=1,2 \ldots . From the above equations we find that the possible values of the magnetic field are B n = 2 π n cos ( α ) m v q d B_{n}=2 \pi n \cos(\alpha) \frac{mv}{q d} Since the magnitude of the magnetic field is fixed we arrive at the relation tan ( α ) = n π α m i n = tan 1 ( π ) = 72. 3 . \tan(\alpha)= n \pi \rightarrow \alpha_{min}= \tan^{-1}(\pi)= 72.3^{\circ}.

Can you please explain how you got q v B = m v 2 r qvB= \frac{mv^2}{r} ? Aren't we balancing the centripetal force and the Lorentz force there?

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 7 years, 7 months ago

You mean on the first line? That's just a statement that when the field is into the page the electrons will traverse a circular path and the Lorentz force is responsible for generating the required centripetal acceleration.

David Mattingly Staff - 7 years, 7 months ago

Oh, okay. Thanks. :) Sorry if this question seemed silly.
Maybe I should study a bit more on magnetic forces before attempting these problems. :)

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 7 years, 7 months ago

@Sreejato Bhattacharya You're welcome. And remember, there are no silly questions! There's a whole range of people on Brilliant and as long as your question is serious and well posed, nobody judges or anything like that.

David Mattingly Staff - 7 years, 7 months ago

Hi Would you mind explaining why the path of the electron is like what is shown in the diagram in the thread below? When the velocity of the electron is pointing right and the magnetic field is pointing into the page, isn't the force is pointing downwards? Why the electron is not moving in a circular path? Thank you so much!

Siyu Ren - 7 years, 7 months ago

it is, it just wasn't a great drawing...

David Mattingly Staff - 7 years, 7 months ago

Sorry for that. I couldn't access internet from my personal computer for the past few days, so I had to operate from a public computer (which doesn't have any good drawing softwares other than mspaint). :(

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 7 years, 7 months ago

Let the charge of each electron be q q , the velocity be v v , the mass be m m , and the radius of the circular path be r r . The forces acting on the electrons are:

i) The inward Lorentz force with magnitude q v B qvB
ii) The outward centrifugal force with magnitude m v 2 r \frac{mv^2}{r}

Since the net force acting on each electron is zero, we must have: q v B = m v 2 r B = m v q r qvB= \frac{mv^2}{r} \implies B= \frac{mv}{qr} Let the length of the line segment O T OT be d d . Note that sin α = d 2 r r = sin α 2 d \sin \alpha = \frac{d}{2r} \implies r= \frac{ \sin \alpha }{2d} Plugging this value in the first equation, we obtain: B = 2 sin α m v q d B= 2 \sin \alpha \frac{mv}{qd}

When the magnetic field is directed along the line O T OT , the electrons will describe a spring-like path P 2 P_2 as in the figure below:

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Let the radius of each small circle be r 2 r_2 . The forces acting on each electron are:

i) Inward Lorentz force with magnitude q v B = q v B sin α q v_{\perp } B = q v B \sin \alpha where v v_{\perp} is the component of velocity perpendicular to the magnetic field
ii) Outward centrifugal force with magnitude m v 2 r 2 \frac{mv^2}{r_2}

Balancing the forces, we obtain: q v B sin α = m v 2 r 2 r 2 = m v sin α q B q v B \sin \alpha = \frac{mv^2}{r_2} \implies r_2= \frac{mv \sin \alpha }{qB} The time period of one revolution about a small circle will be: T = 2 π r 2 v sin α T= \frac{2 \pi r_2}{v \sin \alpha} Substituting the expression for r 2 r_2 , we obtain:
T = 2 π m q B T= \frac{2 \pi m}{qB} We take the z z axis to be the line O T OT . At time t t , the distance from an electron to the O O along the z z axis will be: z ( t ) = v t cos α z(t)= v t \cos \alpha The time taken for the electrons to reach the point T T will be t = O T v cos α = d v cos α t= \frac{OT}{v \cos \alpha } = \frac{d}{v \cos \alpha } . The electrons will pass through point T T iff t t is an integral multiple of T T (the time taken to orbit through the smaller circles). Let t = n T t= nT , where n N n \in \mathbb{N} . Plugging this value in the above equation, we obtain: B = 2 π n cos α m v q d B= 2 \pi n \cos \alpha \frac{mv}{qd} Note that the magnetic field remains constant. Substituting values from the previous equations, we can show that α = tan 1 ( n π ) \alpha = \tan^{-1} (n \pi ) Since we want to minimize α \alpha , we set n = 1 n=1 , which gives α = tan 1 π 72. 3 \alpha = \tan^{-1} \pi \approx 72.3^{\circ } .

Avraam Aneleitos
May 20, 2014

B directed into the page: The electron enters the magnetic field region with its initial velocity being prependicular to the field's direction.So it will move on a circle (K,R) which means that: Fcentripental=Florentz or mu^2/R=Bqu or R=mu/Bq(1) By the problem's geometry we get that: (OT)=2 R sina which due to (1) is (OT)=2 m usina/Bq (2) B directed along the line OT: In this case the angle between the magnetic field and the electron's initial velocity is equal to a.So it will do two motions at the same time, one circular due to u'=usina, and one linear with constant speed u''=ucosa. Circular motion: The same way we got (1) we find that: R'=mu'/Bq and since u'=2 pi R'/T we get u'=2 pi m u'/B q T or T=2 pi m /B q. Linear motion: (OT)=u'' t or t=(OT)/u'' where t is the total time that taked the electron to move from O to T.Because of (2) we get: t=2 m u sina/B q u cosa=2 m tana/B q. In order for the electron to hit the target,when time t has past,it must have completed N full circles with N greater or equal to 1.So we coclude that: t=N T or 2 m tana/B q=2 pi m /B q or tana=N pi.By the last equation we get (tana)min=(N pi)min or tan(amin)=Nmin pi and since N is greater or equal to 1 it's Nmin=1.Thus tan(amin)=pi=3.14.Using a calculator we get that amin=72.3 degrees .

Maharnab Mitra
Oct 20, 2013

For the first case when B B points downwards, the magnitude of force experienced by the electron is F = e v B F=evB which is equal to the centripetal force m v 2 R \frac{mv^2}{R} as it follows a circular path.

[ e e =charge of electron, v v =velocity of electron]

So, e v B = m v 2 R R = m v e B evB= \frac{mv^2}{R} \implies R= \frac{mv}{eB} which is the radius of the circular path. Now, from the figure, the displacement of the electron A T = 2 R s i n α = 2 m v s i n α e B AT=2Rsin \alpha = \frac{2mvsin \alpha}{eB} .

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For the second case, the velocity of electron can be resolved into two components (as shown in the figure) such that one is along the magnetic field and the other is perpendicular to it.

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v c o s α vcos \alpha is responsible for the displacement and v s i n α vsin \alpha is responsible for its circular path. As it covers a full circle due to v s i n α vsin \alpha , v c o s α vcos \alpha makes it reach the target T at the same time. Time period of the electron is given by 2 π m e B \frac{2 \pi m}{eB} .

Now, we apply D i s p l a c e m e n t s p e e d = t i m e \frac{Displacement}{speed} =time

2 m v s i n α e B v c o s α = 2 m v e B v t a n α = 2 π m e B \implies \frac{\frac{2mvsin \alpha}{eB}}{ vcos \alpha} = \frac{2mv}{eBv} tan\alpha =\frac{2 \pi m}{eB} which is the time period. This gives t a n α = π α = 72. 3 o tan \alpha = \pi \implies \alpha =72.3^o

Vitaly Breyev
Oct 22, 2013

Here is a sketch of the solution.

Consider the motion of electrons when B B is into the page. Then electrons move in a circular orbit with R 1 = m v / q B R_1 = {mv}/{qB} (can derive this equating the Lorentz force and the centripetal force).

Then, considering the geometry of the trajectory of electrons, we can apply the Law of Cosines and deduce that O T 2 = 2 R 1 2 ( 1 cos 2 α ) ( ) OT^2 = 2R_1^2 (1 - \cos{2\alpha})\text{ } (*) .

Now consider the motion of electrons when B B is along O T OT . The motion can be deconstructed into two components -- circular motion with period T = 2 π R 2 / v sin α = 2 π m / q B T = {2\pi R_2}/{v \sin{\alpha}} = {2\pi m}/{qB} (here we derive R 2 R_2 in a similar way to R 1 R_1 , but taking v sin α v\sin{\alpha} instead of v v ) and motion along O T OT such that O T 2 = t v 2 cos 2 α ( ) OT^2 = t v^2\cos^2{\alpha} \text{ }(**) .

We can see t t has to be natural multiple of T T . In our case α \alpha is minimal when v cos α v\cos{\alpha} is maximal hence for O T OT to be minimal take t = T t = T . Therefore, equating ( ) (*) and ( ) (**) and substituting t = T t = T we get some nice cancellation of terms and end up with 2 π 2 cos 2 α = 1 cos 2 α 2\pi^2 \cos^2{\alpha} = 1 - \cos{2\alpha} . Using some trig identities and keeping boundaries for α \alpha in mind, we can simplify this to cot α = 1 π \cot{\alpha} = \frac{1}{\pi} .

Therefore α = cot 1 1 π = 72. 3 \alpha = \cot^{-1}{\frac{1}{\pi}} = \boxed{72.3^{\circ}} .

In (**) it should be t 2 t^2 , sorry

Vitaly Breyev - 7 years, 7 months ago

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