The distance from Boston to San Francisco is 4344 km. However, a flight from Boston to San Francisco is about 6.33 hours of flying time (the flying time is the total time minus the time required to takeoff and land), whereas a flight from San Francisco to Boston is only 5.33 hours of flying time.
The difference is due to the jet stream, which blows across the United States roughly from west to east. If the speed of the airliner relative to the air is a constant, and the jet stream is considered as blowing at a constant speed directly against the airplane as it flies from Boston to San Francisco and directly with the airplane on the return flight, then what is the speed of the jet stream in km/hour ?
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I followed everything except dividing 128.605 by 2. Why would we do that?
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Let x be the speed of the jet stream and v is the actual speed of the airplane.
From Boston to SF >> v-a=685.9
From SF to Boston >> v+a=814.5
From the first equation, we know
v=685.9+a
Substitute it to the second equation
(685.9+a)+a=814.5
2a=814.5-685.9=128.6
a=64.3 km/h
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Thank you; this clears it up perfectly!
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@Rishona Campbell – but why do you divide by the two as i went about it a different way, I didnt see the need to divide by 2 so i failed. I got the km/hr both ways and subtracted why would that difference not be the speed of the jet stream?
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@Brock Ledford – Wind's velocity is equal for both trips. The wind is making the plane travel X faster one way and X slower the other way.
Plane "Speed" + Wind "Speed" = 814.5
Plane "Speed" - Wind "Speed" = 685.9
814.5 - 685.9 = (Plane Speed + Wind Speed) - (Plane Speed - Wind Speed)
128.6 = 2 x Wind Speed
64.3 = Wind Speed
You are right that total difference is in wind speed is 128.6, but it's because it's for you in one direction and against for the other that you need to divide
Could not have explained it any better than Adam. That was basically my thought process when working out the question as well.
because the wind is acting in both ways i.e. increasing and decreasing the speed
I am wondering this as well. Why divide by two?
yeah me too...i arrive at128.6 but did not divide it w/ 2....my bad😊
i got 128.61 divided by minutes then turned back to hours. that .33 for the 20 minutes isn't very accurate
I actually didnt use the 1/3 hr and just moved all of the equation to minutes and multiplied by 60 in the end. I got 69.81 km/hr
So dividing by 2 you are essentially just calculating the average jet stream velocity. I didn't divide by 2 thinking I wasn't really calculating the average velocity, but looking at it a little more the jet stream is present both ways and is affecting the plane's velocity so we are looking at it from a constant value, which translates =(V1=4344km/6.33 hrs - S) = ( V2=4344Km/5.33 + S).. V1=686.25 - S and V2=815 +S. Setting the two equations equal to one another we get: 686.25 - S= 815+S. Solving we get 2S=128.74, diving by 2 we get S = 64.375 Km/hr.
So where did the 64.38 come from? I got the same result as Joshua Williams but using fractions not decimal approximations.
And by the way the simple physics problems were ambiguously written in at least two cases. E.g. the poring water in an aeroplane cockpit.
I figured the flight time in still air at 5.83 hours (average of 5.33 and 6.33) and found the flight speed in still air at 744.69 km/h. Expected to find an equal difference between the still air speed and the speeds with the wind (814.501) and against the wind (685.895). But no, they're different (+69.81 and -58.80). But the average of the differences is 64.302 km/h. SMDH?
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The problem was your initial assumption that the flight time in still air would be the arithmetic mean of the flight time with wind in each direction. You need to use a harmonic mean if you want to look at it that way. But it still doesn't really help you to find the windspeed - that's easier to just compute directly, as in Yeremia's comment above.
There is not correct ???. Aircraft is the same, which flying in both direction... All other parameters is the same, isn't it? In this case different will be only time of flying in both direction because of rotation of the Earth. If distance the same and time is different and it mean ONLY that how fast you're be in destination "to" and "back". It is not the speed of aircraft........
My answer is very different : The flight time diference is because Earth rotation. Jetstreams are variable in speed and direction, so it is not the main reason in this case.
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The earth's rotation also causes it's atmosphere to rotate too. Since the plane is within the atmosphere, it rotates along with the Earth. An object outside of the Earth's atmosphere, a satellite for instance, is not affected by the Earth's rotation and can move around independently.
you overthink the problem. it is maths and not physics, and all elements are given so you're not supposed to add new elements, but calculate with what you have.
Excellent answer. I had the 128km/h however I didn’t take into effect the jet stream working on the aircraft in one direction (ie speeding it up) and against the aircraft on the way back (ie slowing it down). Hence divide by 2. Well done 👍
by my calculator, 4344 ÷ 5.33 = 815.0094 and 4344 ÷ 6.33 = 686.2559 815.0094 - 686.2559 = 128.7535 128.7535 ÷ 2 = 64.3767 ∴ jetstream speed = 64.3767 kph
I am really dumb.
I was thrown by the 6.33 & 5.33 - I read that as 6 hr 33 mins - and 5 hrs 33 m respectively - I got the right answers for my inputs - but the wrong answers otherwise. I hate decimal time :-(
The question required the answer to 3 significant figures so why is the answer given to four?
Since 6.33 hrs is less than 6 hrs and 20 minutes, the correct 3 digit answer is 64.377 to me.
4344 * (1/5.33 - 1/6 33) /2 = 64.377
wow. I was so close. All I had to do was divide by 2 at the end. Can't believe I forgot that
I rounded at the beginning and got it wrong by 0.1. 🤦♂️
Disappointed that 64.5 was counted as incorrect.
Let the velocity of the plane relative to the ground from Boston to San Francisco be v w and the velocity relative to the ground on the reverse trip be v e . Using d = v t , we then have
v w = 6 . 3 3 h r 4 3 4 4 k m = 6 8 6 . 2 6 km/hr , v e = 5 . 3 3 h r 4 3 4 4 k m = 8 1 5 . 0 1 km/hr
We can re-express these velocities in terms of the speed v of the plane relative to the air and the speed v J of the jet stream, v w = v − v J , v e = v + v J . We can then solve these two equations for v and v J .
Hi David, I must be missing something. Why are we considering the time as 5.33 where as in the question it says 5 hrs 20 mins same for 6.33 ? Thanks
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20 min is 1/3 hour =0.33333333 hour
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ohh my word :D it has been so long away from Maths I forgot the basics. Getting into it again. Thanks man
I didn't divide by two :( thought 128 was a fairly impressive wind...
i realy believe that they are asking which is the speed of tha airplane, considering that going one way the wind blows from it's front and returning it has the wind from behind, they say there that the speed is relative constant, which means that the 1 hour difference is made by the resistance of the wind. am i right till here?
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The question is clear: What is the speed of the jet stream. The speed of the airplane is not mentioned. The distance is mentioned (given), as are the two travel times. What is not mentioned is that both flights are in a more or less straight line (actually an arc along a great circle).
The airspeed of the airplane is assumed to be constant and equal in both directions.
The ground speed changes due to the effect from a west to east Jet Stream wind. That is a headwind when traveling west, and a tailwind when traveling east.
The website is demanding far too much precision in the arithmetic. The assumptions are so very sweeping that any answer between 60 and 65 should be accepted as correct.
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The assumptions are precise to 4 significant digits. They ask for the answer to 3 significant digits. There is only one correct answer.
Googling “How fast is the jet stream?”, the answers are all something like “Jet streams are some of the strongest winds in the atmosphere. Their speeds usually range from 129 to 225 kilometers per hour (80 to 140 miles per hour), but they can reach more than 443 kilometers per hour (275 miles per hour).” So does this problem use grossly inaccurate numbers for distances and flight times, or do web sources do the wrong math and provide wrong answers by a factor of 2?
For some people who are confused on 6.33 hr, you can try to look at it in a different way: 6 hours and 20 minutes = 360 minutes + 20 minutes = 380 minutes. 5 hours and 20 minutes = 300 minutes + 20 minutes = 320 minutes The distance from BOS to SF is 4344 km, and this is based on per hour. We have to convert either minute to hour or vise versa. In this case, we'll convert the distance to per minute: 4344 x 60 (mins) = 260640 km/m Now, we can get the velocity, 3 8 0 m 2 6 0 6 4 0 k m / m = 685.9 km 3 2 0 m 2 6 0 6 4 0 k m / m = 814.5 km
Then subtract the two speeds to get the difference between BOS-SF and SF-BOS. The difference is around 128.61 km. Divide that by 2 and you will get something around 64. Why divide? Because you want to know the speed for one way.
Since the speeds aren't round trip, it would seem that 128.61 km/hr would be the one-way air stream speed. I don't see why you have to divide by two.
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Since the jet stream speeds up one plane and slows down the other by the exact same amount, finding the difference between both of the planes' speeds (with the jet stream) would give you the value of how much the jet stream slows one plane AND speeds up the other. However, we only want to know how much it speeds up ONE of the planes (or how much it slows down the other).
Mathematically, the faster one is travelling at A+J and the slower travelling at A-J (A = speed of the airplane and J = speed of the jet stream). Now, if we subtract the slower speed from the faster one, we get: (A+J) - (A-J) = A + J -A +J = 2J therefore, we come up with an answer equal to twice the speed of the jet stream. Dividing this by two, we get 2J/2 = J, which is the actual speed of the jet stream.
To imagine this, you can think of three planes, all travelling in the same direction. One of them is travelling the fastest (with the jet stream), at 814.5 km/hr, one of them travelling the slowest (against the jet stream), at 685.9 km/hr, and one of them is imaginary, travelling in the middle, unaffected by the jet stream. The difference in speed between the one in the middle and either of the other two is the difference in speed which the jet stream is causing. This is what we want to find. Finding the difference between the fastest one and the slowest one would double the effect of the jet stream and give us an answer which is 2x the actual speed of the jet stream, hence why we divide by 2.
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A lot of people tried to answer why you had to divide by 2. Your illustration made the most sense. I get it now. Thanks.
The questions asks for speed in Km/h
It DOES NOT STATE the degree of accuracy required.
IF the question had asked : state the speed CORRECT to two decimal places then many of us would have got it right ... ( instead of rounding )
Sorry - But for this reason - i'd say the question is flawed
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Yeah, my answer was wrong anyway. I didn't realize you had to divide by 2 but another person's illustration made that crystal clear. But yeah, I typed in three answers; one to two decimal places, one to thirteen ( the limits of my windows calculator) and one rounded up. So I didn't know if I just got it plain wrong or wrong because I didn't know how many decimal places they were looking for.
they ask for 3 decimal places, it says so below the answer box
In my case, I thought that 6.33 hr is 6 hour 33 minute which converts into 6.55 hr. Thus, wrong calculation value. However, I did have correct method. (Which took me 1 A4 page. Hahaha)
If v j is the jet velocity, v w is the wind velocity, and the distance to travel is d, with small time t 1 and long time t 2 :
v j + v w = t 1 d ; v j − v w = t 2 d
Subtracting the two equations, we arrive at:
2 ∗ v w = d ∗ ( t 1 1 − t 2 1 ) Since 20 minutes is 1/3 of an hour, we can see that t 1 is 16/3, and t 2 is 19/3. This leads to the elegant result of:
v w = d ( 6 0 8 9 )
Substituting in d and v w resolves to 64.30.
elegant indeed
Let A = airline speed and J = Jetstream speed. Then 4344/(A-J) = 6.33 and 4344/(A+J) = 5.33. Two equations, 2 unknowns. Solve for J = 64.38
Distance = 4344 km
Airplane speed = t i m e t a k e n d i s t a n c e this is the airplane speed not jetstream
Airplane speed Boston to SF = 6 . 3 3 4 3 4 4 = 685.89 km/hour
Speed Boston to SF = (Airplane constant speed) - (jetstream speed)
To make it easier we can call jetstream speed x
The difference between the speeds is (Speed SF to Boston) - (Speed Boston to SF) = 685.89 - 814.5 = 128.61
So (constant + x) - (constant - x) = 128.61
We then cancel out the equation:
so x+x = 128.61
So 2x = 128.61 ie 2x jetstream speed = 128.61
For those people who got 128km/h, and are confused why everybody (and the correct solution) involves dividing by 2, i'll explain this in a different way... Imagine if there is no wind, what would be the speed of the plane? Well, it would have to be between 815 and 686 km/h. To be more precise, take the average of those two speeds. So the plane speed would be 751 km/h if there's zero wind. So therefore the wind speed must be 64 km/h, as the plane travels 64km/h faster with the wind and 64 km/h slower against the wind.
5 . 3 3 ( v plane + v air ) = 4 3 4 4 = 6 . 3 3 ( v plane − v air ) 5 . 3 3 v plane + 5 . 3 3 v air = 6 . 3 3 v plane − 6 . 3 3 v air v plane = 1 1 . 6 6 v air 5 . 3 3 ( 1 1 . 6 6 v air + v air ) = 4 3 4 4 1 2 . 6 6 v air = 5 . 3 3 4 3 4 4 v air = 1 2 . 6 6 ⋅ 5 . 3 3 4 3 4 4 = 6 4 . 3 7 6 7 2 . . . ≈ 6 4 . 4 km/h
6h20m = 19/3 h
5h20m = 16/3 h
Speed of plane = A
Speed of jet stream = J
(A+J)*16/3 = 4344
(A-J)*19/3 = 4344
Rearrange to get:
A+J = 3*4344/16
A-J = 3*4344/19
Subtract the two equations to eliminate A:
2J = 3*4344(1/16 - 1/19)
J = 3*2172(1/16 - 1/19)
J = 64.3026
Why did the "official" answer say 64.38, when the information provided leads every correct method to calculate 64.30 km/h?
B = Boston S = San Fran
6Hr 20 = 3 1 9 hrs 5Hr20 = 3 1 6 hrs
w = wind speed towards B v = plane speed
Travel in direction BS (into headwind so relative plane speed is slower):
Dist = Speed * Time
4344 = (v-w)* 3 1 9
1 9 4 3 4 4 ∗ 3 = (v-w) ----equ(1)
Travel in direction SB (with tailwind so relative plane speed is faster) Dist = Speed * Time
4344 = (v+w)* 3 1 6
1 6 4 3 4 4 ∗ 3 = (v+w) ----equ(2)
To get v use equ(1) + equ(2)
To get w equ(2) - equ(1):
1 6 4 3 4 4 ∗ 3 - 1 9 4 3 4 4 ∗ 3 = 2w
w = 2 4 3 4 4 ∗ 3 *( 1 6 1 - 1 9 1 ) = 7 6 4 8 8 7 = 64.30263...
w = 64.30 KPH (not 64.38 that uses imprecise time values)
Why can we assume that there is a 1 to 1 relationship between jetstream wind speed and it's affect on the 's velocity? Couldn't it be that due to the shape of the plane a 64 km/h wind would cause a a 34km/h increase in speed to pick a random number? Couldn't the shape of the back end of the plane affect this efficiency rate?
Where do you get off telling us that the .33 is a rounded 20 minutes (1/3 hour) and not exactly what is stated in the problem (that does compute to 64.38) with such attitude, "not 64.38 that uses imprecise time values"?
Let... Vp=the average velocity of the plane sj=the average velocity of the jet stream
First we calculate the average velocity of the plane heading from San Francisco to Boston. Vp = Δs/t= 4344/5.33 = 815.009 km/hr
From Boston to San Francisco the velocity of the plane is combined with the velocity of the jet stream. Knowing this info we can write the following expression.
Vp + Vj = 815.009
Using the same logic above, we can calculate the speed of the plane on its return to San Francisco from Boston. Making sure that the signs are flipped due to the change in direction. V = Δs/t = -4344/6.33 = -686.255 km/hr
Next we need to consider that the two velocity vectors of the plane on its return trip and the jet stream. They are opposite directions and will have different signs, so we are actually subtracting the two. Knowing this we can derive the following equation...
Vp - Vj = -686.255
Solve the two equations for Vp and set them equal...
Vp = -686.255 +Vj Vp = 815.009 - Vj
815.009 - Vj = -686.255 + Vj 815.009 = -686.255 + 2Vj 128.7534 = 2Vj 64.37 = Vj
The actual velocity of the plane remains constant (as power configurations on airplane will be constant).
When it's going from San Francisco to Boston, the speed of the plane is aided by the speed of the jet stream, and the vice-versa on the trip from Boston to San Francisco.
Thus,
5 . 3 3 6 3 4 4 - v = 6 . 3 3 6 3 4 4 + v
Which, gives v = 64.30 (approximately)
The average speed of the plane on the two legs is 750.94 km/hr. This is the plane's ground speed in the absence of wind. If the plane had flown for 6.33 hours at 750.94 km/hr, it would have gone an extra 407.77 km, which is the distance travelled by a particle in the air mass of the jet stream. It travelled that distance in 6.33 hrs, so its speed is 64.38 km/hr.
AIRCRAFT GROUNDSPEEDS: 4344 / 6.33 = 815 KM/h SF -> Bos 4344 / 5.33 = 686.26 KM/h Bos ->SF
Find the difference between these groundspeeds; 815 - 686.26 = 128.74 KM/h
One aircraft was sped up by the jetstream, the other slowed down by it. So the jetstream made an impact on the difference in speeds TWICE. Therefore divide the difference in speed we found above by two;
128.74 / 2 = 64.37 is the speed of the jetstream.
We can check the answer;
If groundspeed SF -> Bos was 815Km/h and the jetstream was as we have calculated, 64.37 km/h, then the aircraft AIRSPEED must have been 815 - 64.37 = 750.63km/h
Compare this with Bos -> SF; 686.26 + 64.37 = 750.63km/h...
The airspeeds match.
Back to the original question posed to us...”the difference in flight times is due to the jetstream” meaning that the aircraft AIRSPEEDs was assumed constant in either direction/flight.
The difference between airspeed and groundspeed is like this;
groundspeed: you are waiting on an airport bench seat and you watch someone move by while walking along a moving travelator. Walking with the travelator they appear to move rapidly relative to you. If that person turned 180 and tried to fight the movement of the travelator (against the flow of other passengers also!) they would appear to move slowly relative to you.
Airspeed: instead of waiting on the airport bench, you are now another passenger standing still, riding the travelator. Someone walking towards you (the wrong way) on the same travelator, or away from you moves at the same rate relative to you. You are now in their frame of reference. Or.... flowing along with their jetstream.
In one direction, the wind is helping, in the other it is hindering.
Vplane + Vwind = 4344km/5hr20min
Vplane - Vwind = 4344km/6hr20min
Subtract the 2 equations to get rid of Vplane
2Vwind = (4344km/5hr20min - 4344km/6hr20min)
Convert 20 min to hours for both 20/60 = 1/3
5+1/3 = 16/3 and 6+1/3 = 19/3
Vwind = (1/2)(4344/(16/3) - 4344/(19/3))
normalizing by multiplying by 19*16
Vwind = (1/2)(4344)(3)(19-16)/(19*16) km/hr
Vwind = 64.30 km/hr, not sure why solution says 64.38 km/hr
On the onward journey, the wind was opposing the travel
v 1 − v 2 = D / t 1
and during the return journey, wind was aiding
v 1 + v 2 = D / t 2
Solving for v 2
v 2 = 2 D ( t 2 1 − t 1 1 )
v 2 = 2 4 3 4 4 ( 1 6 / 3 1 − 1 9 / 3 1 ) = 6 4 . 3 0 2 6
Let v be the speed of the aeroplane and j be the speed of the jet stream.
Then (v-j)(6h20m) = 4344 . . . (A)
and (v+j)(5h20m) = 4344 . . . (B)
It follows that (v-j)(6h20m) = (v+j)(5h20m)
or (v-j)( 3 1 9 h) = (v+j)( 3 1 6 h)
or 19(v-j) = 16(v+j) which, on simplification, gives 35j = 3v
or j = 3 5 3 v . . . (C)
Substituting equation (C) into equation (B),
(v+j)( 3 1 6 ) = 4344
we have (v + 3 5 3 v ) = 4344( 1 6 3 )
Therefore v = 750.197368421 km/h
and j = 3 5 3 v = 64.3026315789 km/h
Averaging the jet's speed removes affect of the wind. The wind speed is the absolute difference between the actual speed, in either direction, and the average speed.
s w = t w d = 6 . 3 3 4 3 4 4 = 686.26 km/h
s e = t e d = 5 . 3 3 4 3 4 4 = 815.01 km/h
a = 2 s w + s e = 750.63 km/h
w = s e - a = 815.01 - 750.63 = 64.38 km/h
or
a = 2 d ( t w 1 + t e 1 )
w = d( t e 1 - 2 1 ( t w 1 + t e 1 ))
Find the speed to/from Boston to San Fran. Calculate their difference then half.
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Going from Boston to SF 4344/6.33 = 685.895 km/h
Going from SF to Boston 4344/5.33 = 814.5 km/h
814.5 - 685.895 = 128.605
128.605/2 = 64.3026 km/h