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When will it pop?

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Blake Farrow Staff
Nov 11, 2018

The correct answer is before the flame touches the balloon . Before I get to the solution, I'd like to thank @Ram Mohith , who inspired this Brilliant experiment!

First, let's take a look at the full video:

We can all see that the balloon pops well before I bring the lighter's flame in contact with the balloon. Why is this?

Short answer

A flame releases most of its heat into the environment through convection , the movement of heat energy through air currents. Since hot air expands and becomes less dense, it rises above the flame and forms a column of heated air. When this hot column of air sufficiently heats the balloon, it loses integrity and pops.

The longer answer

The flame is hot – a butane-burning lighter produces a flame of about 140 0 C 1400 ^{\circ} C . This heat is released into the air around it through a few different mechanisms: anything the flame is touching conducts heat away, movement of hot air near the flame convects heat away, and the hot flame also radiates heat in all directions both as visible yellow-orange light, and as infrared light.

Only one of these mechanisms of heat transfer requires that the flame actually touch the balloon: conduction . Since the molecules in air are so sparsely distributed with large gaps between them, air is a very poor conductor of heat. Until the flame actually touches the balloon, very little heat will be transferred by conduction.

Radiation will transfer heat to the balloon before the flame makes contact. This heat energy is carried mostly by infrared radiation, which travels in all directions equally. The amount of radiation from a flame will be the same two cm \si{\centi \meter} to the left as it is two cm \si{\centi \meter} above. I don't recommend doing this yourself, but a flame is much hotter two cm \si{\centi \meter} above than it is two cm \si{\centi \meter} to the left. In fact, a flame doesn't feel very warm at all at even short distances to its side, so the dominant method of heat transfer must not be radiation.

Convection is the transfer of heat by the movement of air. As air nearby the flame is heated, it expands. As it expands it becomes less dense than the surrounding air and rises. The cooler air surrounding the flame moves in from the sides to fill the empty space left by the rising air, and is also heated and begins to rise. This process forms a convection column above the flame which carries most of the heat away from the flame.

IMO, you must add a condition that the lighter is brought towards the balloon SLOWLY. I can rush the lighter towards the balloon and it wont pop till the flame makes contact.

Yashwant Bhushan - 2 years, 7 months ago

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The video shows it all :)

Swapnil Das - 2 years, 7 months ago

Yeah I agree with Yashwant Bhushan. If I bring the lighter to the balloon really fast, there wouldn't be enough time to heat the balloon before I make contact with it, therefore it won't pop until after the flame makes contact.

Laura Gao - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Do you think the video made it clear at what speed the lighter was moving towards the balloon? Sometimes we experiment with problem formats – would you prefer a list of assumptions/conditions under the video?

Blake Farrow Staff - 2 years, 7 months ago

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@Blake Farrow Seems like the follow-up video slowed down the movement of the lighter relative to the question video

Justin Whatley - 2 years, 6 months ago

@Blake Farrow I would argue that this experiment is quite counterproductive in that it feeds the intuition that this outcome would be "normal", which it simply is not in the broad sense that the question implies. As others have stated, the relative speed of flame and balloon as well as a plethora of other factors will play a significant role in the outcome. Just to name a few other relevant factors (surely, some are more relevant than others): 1) absolute heat of the flame (i.e., type of material burned, size of heat dissipating area, etc.); 2) material of the balloon (heat conductivity, temperature of breaking, thickness, surface tension); 3) heat loss due to air flow perpendicular to the flame (can be caused by any movement in the vicinity). In conclusion, this outcome is only sure to be true if you provide a sufficiently laminar (upwards) flow of heated air and a sufficiently slow approach of flame and balloon. Only then you will always get to a (near) equilibrium condition, which is ultimately needed to show the real underlying principle, i.e., the flame is hot enough outside of its (for humans!) visible area to melt (or at least significantly weaken) a common balloon material.

Benjamin Oelkers - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@Benjamin Oelkers have brain

Nahom Assefa - 2 years, 6 months ago

Its all about heat transfer. dQ/dt. Because of convection on the inside of the balloon, heat must enter the rubber faster than it travels away so that the rubber gets hot and weakens. The problem statement leaves some ambiguity. As others have indicated he obviously slows down the rate at which the flame approaches the balloon at the end.

Tim Rammel - 2 years, 5 months ago

The answer is so easy!

Anton Goetze - 2 years, 7 months ago

that is easy you have maital problem

Nahom Assefa - 2 years, 6 months ago

He slowed down his movement of the flame towards the ballon. I wonder if he was afraid to get the wrong answer ;)

Juanito Skomars - 2 years, 6 months ago

To clarify, why will the heat by convection lead to the balloon popping. Is it due to pressure difference created in a small area in the balloon?

Mudit T - 2 years, 3 months ago
Tiago Antunes
Nov 12, 2018

Don't try this with helium balloons, seriously now.

what will happen?

calum ross - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Nothing spectacular, as helium is quite unreactive (it is a noble gas).

But it would be a waste of helium, as is putting it into balloons in the first place... Helium is unfortunately light enough to gradually escape earth's atmosphere, so it is getting more scarce. Ultra-low temperature experiments need liquid helium, making it important for science that we have enough left in the future, preferably also not prohibitively expensive...

Roland van Vliembergen - 2 years, 7 months ago

I think the hydrogen balloon would generate a more spectacular reaction.

Adam Benson - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Yes please don't try this at home with Hydrogen. You may end up with something like this .

Blake Farrow Staff - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Oh! The humanity!

Richard Desper - 2 years, 7 months ago

A faster explosion would be a 2:1 mixture of hydrogen and oxygen. If you use a pure hydrogen balloon it initially only burns at the surface of where the balloon used to be, as oxygen is required for combustion, so it is a relatively controlled reaction.

See also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTgeeTB_kA (Hydrogen Explosions (slow motion) - Periodic Table of Videos).

Roland van Vliembergen - 2 years, 7 months ago

And of course you don't want to do that when a balloon is filled with 88.0% cyclonite, 1.0% pentaerythrite dioleate and 11.0% DG-29 lithium grease, more commonly known as the explosive C4.

Adam Benson - 2 years, 7 months ago

What constitutes 'the flame'? Is it only the visible spectrum for the purpose of this puzzle. Thermal imaging would give a truer dynamic of 'the flame'.

Bill Purvis - 2 years, 7 months ago

Helium (He) is an inert gas and a very stable atom. It is also very stable as a molecule.

You must be thinking of hydrogen (H) which was used in the Hindenburg, the German Blimp that infamously exploded. Hydrogen oxydises easily, releasing considerable energy in the process.

Both are the lightest elements, with atomic numbers 1 and 2. Both are normally gasses. Both have been used in balloons.

I believe that a typical demonstration of the explosiveness of hydrogen is to do the exact experiment with a balloon. And a lighter.

While perhaps not related, there is the hydrogen bomb which creates a large explosion.

John Fitzgerald - 2 years, 6 months ago

No but with hydrogen all you need is a flask, ballon, some aluminium from the kitchen and some pipe openers from the restroom. It was fun while it lasted ;)

Juanito Skomars - 2 years, 6 months ago
Ram Mohith
Nov 9, 2018

First lets think about Conduction . Heat is transferred in form of conduction through the vibration of molecules, in this case it is air. As air is a poor conductor of heat and the molecules are loosely held much heat will not be transmitted. Now, come to the case of Radiation . Radiation will occur in whatever medium it may be and in this case to but it will be dominated by conduction because a small source of light will not produce enough radiations to burst up a balloon. Finally, come to Convection . The air above the flame gets heated up and raise up as it becomes lighter. Now the air above will come down and it will get heated up and raises again and this continues. Therefore, more heat will be transmitted in the mode of convection.

if the balloon is not completely inflated ? The problem is with the type of the plastic of the balloon?

crystal words - 2 years, 7 months ago

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How do you define 'fully inflated' ? A balloon is not like a non-stretchable bag.

Jesse Otis - 2 years, 6 months ago

Lol no helium balloons to try

Michael Tobiasch - 2 years, 6 months ago
Michael Luc
Nov 12, 2018
  1. The flame is brought near the balloon
  2. The air in the balloon begins to expand
  3. When the expansion of the air is too much for the balloon to hold, the balloon pops

Isn't it more because the heat causes rubber membrane to tear

Deepak Mecheri - 2 years, 6 months ago
Damodar Mandal
Nov 11, 2018

Due to heat of the lighter

It’s like most experiments draw a conclusion with invalid correlation . How long how close is the fire exposed what type of balloons and air temperatures. Can you boil water with the right distance?

Jim Seals - 2 years, 7 months ago
Krishna Karthik
Mar 26, 2019

There is only one way: try it out for yourself!

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