How long will you chase?

A boy runs on a circular path of radius R = 28 meters R=28\text{ meters} with constant speed u = 4 m/s u=4 \text{ m/s} .

Another boy starts from the center of the circle to catch the first boy. The second boy always moves towards the first one. and maintains a speed of v = 4 m/s v = 4\text{ m/s} . How long will the chase last in seconds?

Details and Assumptions :

1) Ignore air friction.

2) Take π = 22 7 \pi = \dfrac{22}7 .


The answer is 11.

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5 solutions

Satvik Pandey
Jan 10, 2015

This problem can be solved easily if the angular velocity of the two boys are equal about the center of the circle.

Now in polar coordinates square of total velocity ( V V ) = Sum of the squares of radial ( V ϕ V_{\phi} )+Tangential velocity (( V t V_{t} ) of the body.

So V 2 = V ϕ 2 + V t 2 V^{2}=V_{\phi}^2+V_{t} ^2

Let at time 't' the boy(who is chasing) be at a distance 'x' from the center.

So V t = x ω V_{t}=x\omega

Now ω = u R \omega=\frac{u}{R} (Remember ω \omega is same for both boys and v = u v=u )

So v 2 ( x v R ) 2 = V ϕ \sqrt { v^{ 2 }-{ \left( \frac { xv }{ R } \right) }^{ 2 } } =V_{ \phi }

or v 2 ( x v R ) 2 = d x d t \sqrt { v^{ 2 }-{ \left( \frac { xv }{ R } \right) }^{ 2 } } =\frac { dx }{ dt }

or v R t = 0 28 d x R 2 x 2 \frac { v }{ R } t=\int _{ 0 }^{ 28 }{ \frac { dx }{ \sqrt { { R }^{ 2 }-{ x }^{ 2 } } } }

So v R t = π 2 \frac { v }{ R } t=\frac { \pi }{ 2 }

On solving we get t = 11 s e c t=11sec

Firstly I was Try to use Realtive concept , But it get's complicated and Then I did Same You , And Tushar it is really Interesting Question , Thanks for sharing it ! Also Just wanted to know How did you solved it ?

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 5 months ago

@tushar very nicce problem and nice solution by @satvik

Mardokay Mosazghi - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Thanks bro! :)

satvik pandey - 6 years, 4 months ago

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please recommend me any books that you think have been helpful for Mechanics and Em

Mardokay Mosazghi - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Mardokay Mosazghi For solving problems Irodov and Understanding Physics by DC Pandey are nice. But I am not sure if you can find them In US. You can buy Classical Mechanics by David Morin. for learning new concepts and solving even tougher problems.

satvik pandey - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Satvik Pandey yes I got the classical mechanics book by Mr Morin, the problems are really tough and hard, do you think HC Verma as good as DC Pandey's book?

Mardokay Mosazghi - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Mardokay Mosazghi I think DC Pandey is better than HC Verma in terms of problems.

satvik pandey - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Satvik Pandey Yes, DC pandey is better...much better....for mechanics and EM, not for optics, Thermodynamics and Modern physics

Tushar Gopalka - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Tushar Gopalka Are you giving JEE this year?

satvik pandey - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Satvik Pandey Yeah but my Chem and Maths is weak which I have to improve. My main aim is to get into IISC, which is quite tough through JEE. I regret not giving KVPY....

Tushar Gopalka - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Tushar Gopalka I am in class 10 at present. I am in dilemma, which optional subject should I choose for class 12 boards? What is your suggestion?

Is there any way to get into IISC through JEE? `I don't know much about admission procedures in IISC.

satvik pandey - 6 years, 4 months ago

@Satvik Pandey ok thanks bro :D

Mardokay Mosazghi - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Mardokay Mosazghi You are welcome. :)

satvik pandey - 6 years, 4 months ago

Nice solution.

Tushar Gopalka - 6 years, 5 months ago

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Thank you Tushar.

satvik pandey - 6 years, 5 months ago

Thanks for the new concept that i can learn :D,i ussualy use relative concept haha

Christian Leonardi - 6 years, 4 months ago

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You are welcome. :)

satvik pandey - 6 years, 4 months ago

How did you get the equation of velocities in polar coordinates

Rajdeep Dhingra - 6 years, 1 month ago

I kind of ran into an ambiguity about the given solution. If both the boys have the same angular velocity, then both the boys and the center of the track always lie on a straight line, and the radial velocity of the second boy points towards the first boy and therefore, the resultant velocity of the boy does not point towards the other. Although in the given solution, the boy always moves towards the boy on the circumference in the radial direction, I think it would be more proper if the resultant velocity of the boy always points towards the first one (direct implication of the conditions given in the question). Using this logic too, one gets the same answer.

Sayantan Pramanik - 6 years ago

Why Vt=xw?

Andrea Virgillito - 2 years, 9 months ago

u have to put the detail that is both boys have equal angular velocities in assumptions

An Lê - 2 years, 4 months ago

I actually did this a little differently.

First, notice that "The second boy always moves towards the first boy" necessarily implies that, if v 1 \vec{v_1} is the velocity of the boy at the center and v 2 \vec{v_2} is the velocity of the boy at the edge, we must have:

v 1 v 2 = 0 \vec{v_1} \cdot \vec{v_2} =0 since the two are always normal. If we let:

v 2 = ( v cos ( v t r ) , v sin ( v t r ) ) \vec{v_2} = (v\cos(\frac{vt}{r}), v\sin(\frac{vt}{r})) and let:

v 1 = ( d x d t , d y d t ) \vec{v_1} = (\frac{dx}{dt}, \frac{dy}{dt})

It becomes clear that: d x d t = tan ( v t r ) d y d t \frac{dx}{dt} = -\tan(\frac{vt}{r}) \frac{dy}{dt}

If we use the additional facts that v 1 = v \parallel \vec{v_1} \parallel = v and x ( 0 ) = 0 x(0) = 0 , y ( 0 ) = 0 y(0)=0 , we eventually arrive at:

v t r = π 2 \frac{vt}{r} = \frac{\pi}{2} which immediately leads to t = 11 t=11

sir I did is quite similarly nice solution

Mardokay Mosazghi - 6 years, 4 months ago

This is wrong if we don't assume same angular momentum, which we don't.

pim Herbschleb - 4 months ago
Ninad Jadkar
Jan 10, 2015

Also, it can be seen that at any instant the second boy's direction is towards the first boy. Hence, by symmetry the path described by the second boy will also be a circle of R= 14m. and he will catch the first boy by travelling half of this circle. Hence T= ((22/7) * 14 )/4 = 11sec. Note: the tangent drawn to the new circle will always direct towards second boy.

You are right but you need to prove that indeed the second boy goes in a circular path.

Tushar Gopalka - 6 years, 5 months ago

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second boy should go in circular path tushar as it is given that he is always moving towards first boy.......and changing path at every point with respect to boy moving in circle...

Pranav Patil - 6 years, 2 months ago

i diid it in exact same way.............this is preety straight forward if we imagine aproching boys path......

Pranav Patil - 6 years, 2 months ago

I don't understand how the second boy covers a circle of 14m

Sankalp Mandawaria - 5 years ago
Michael Mendrin
Jan 10, 2015

The problem can be made a little more interesting if the boy on the circular path can change his direction at any time. The end result is nonetheless the same.

Thats true. But where did you write down the solution? :D

Snehal Shekatkar - 6 years, 5 months ago

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Here's the "solution without words", which I did quite some time ago. It applies here.

The Chase The Chase

Michael Mendrin - 6 years, 5 months ago

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Thanks for the link :)

Snehal Shekatkar - 6 years, 5 months ago
Tarekul Nissayuo
Aug 26, 2020

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