How to perfect the bottle flip?

A lot of skill goes into whether you can achieve a bottle flip. But with a bit of physics, you can maximize your chances by optimizing the volume of water in the bottle. Over- or under-filling the water bottle yields a high center of gravity, which can cause the bottle to tip over on landing, even if the throw is otherwise perfect. To stabilize the bottle's landing, the center of gravity should be as low as possible.

Treat an empty water bottle as a cylinder with mass 12 g \SI{12}{\gram} evenly distributed along its length. What is the water level h h in centimeters such that the bottle's center of gravity is lowest?

Note: The density of water is about 1 g / c m 3 . \SI[per-mode=symbol]{1}{\gram \per \centi \meter \cubed}.


The answer is 2.270083225.

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8 solutions

Donglin Loo
Jun 22, 2018

We make use of the formula

h ˉ = k = 1 n m k h k k = 1 n m k \bar{h} =\cfrac{\sum_{k=1} ^{n}m_{k} h_{k}}{\sum_{k=1}^{n}m_{k}}

Here,

h ˉ = m 1 h 1 + m 2 h 2 m 1 + m 2 \bar{h} =\cfrac{m_{1}h_{1}+m_{2}h_{2}}{m_{1}+m_{2}}

Let the water level be h h

h ˉ = 12 20 2 + 1 36 h h 2 12 + 36 h = 120 + 18 h 2 12 + 36 h = 20 + 3 h 2 2 + 6 h \bar{h} =\cfrac{12\cdot\cfrac{20} {2}+1\cdot36\cdot h\cdot \cfrac{h}{2}} {12+36h}=\cfrac{120+18h^2}{12+36h}=\cfrac{20+3h^2}{2+6h}

To make ourselves adapt to the problem-solving here better, we can let h ˉ = y , h = x \bar{h}=y, h=x

Our function becomes y = 20 + 3 x 2 2 + 6 x y=\cfrac{20+3x^2}{2+6x}

Now, we are trying to find the value of x x when y y is minimum. You can use calculus(differentiation) to find it but I personally think algebra will do the trick here.

y ( 2 + 6 x ) = 20 + 3 x 2 \Rightarrow y(2+6x)=20+3x^2

3 x 2 + ( 6 y ) x + 20 2 y = 0 3x^2+(-6y)x+20-2y=0

We know that value of x x is real.

( 6 y ) 2 4 ( 3 ) ( 20 2 y ) 0 \therefore (-6y)^2-4(3)(20-2y)\geq0

36 y 2 12 ( 20 2 y ) 0 36y^2-12(20-2y)\geq0

3 y 2 ( 20 2 y ) 0 3y^2-(20-2y)\geq 0

3 y 2 + 2 y 20 0 3y^2+2y-20\geq0

When 3 y 2 + 2 y 20 = 0 3y^2+2y-20=0

y = 2 ± 4 + 4 ( 3 ) ( 20 ) 6 y=\cfrac{-2\pm\sqrt{4+4(3)(20)} }{6}

We neglect the negative value of y y

We have y 2 + 244 6 y\geq\cfrac{-2+\sqrt{244}}{6}

Minimum value of y = 2 + 244 6 =\cfrac{-2+\sqrt{244}}{6}

x = 6 y + 0 6 = y 2.270 x=\cfrac{6y+0}{6}=y\approx2.270

Water level sought after = h = x 2.270 c m =h=x\approx2. 270cm

Hi, I wonder why h1 for the bottle is 20 cm, the top of the bottle, and not 10 cm, the middle of the bottle.

Thanks.

Ivo Saraiva - 2 years, 11 months ago

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Thanks for pointing out. Amended!

donglin loo - 2 years, 11 months ago

It is 10 cm, it's written 20/2.

Harsh Bhute - 1 year, 7 months ago

I agree with Ivo, the centre of mass of the bottle should be 10 cm not 20 cm. The solution by Binky Mh does this and finds the centre of mass of the bottle+water to be (3h^2+20)/(6h+2) which is half of value of Donglin Loo ((3h^2+20)/(3h+1)).

Hamish Meffin - 2 years, 11 months ago

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Oops. That was my mistake. Thanks for pointing out. Amended!

donglin loo - 2 years, 11 months ago

How didi you get the height of the bottle 20 cm....? 36 is what ??

Bikram Sharma - 2 years, 11 months ago

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@Bikram Sharma The 36 ( c m 2 ) 36(cm^2) refers to the area of the base of the cylindrical bottle. The 20cm refers to the height of bottle. It should be half because we are locating the center of mass of bottle.

donglin loo - 2 years, 11 months ago

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A lot of skill goes into whether you can achieve a bottle flip. But with a bit of physics, you can maximize your chances by optimizing the volume of water in the bottle. Over- or under-filling the water bottle yields a high center of gravity, which can cause the bottle to tip over on landing, even if the throw is otherwise perfect. To stabilize the bottle's landing, the center of gravity should be as low as possible.

Treat an empty water bottle as a cylinder with mass evenly distributed along its length. What is the water level in centimeters such that the bottle's center of gravity is lowest?

Note: The density of water is about

Bikram Sharma - 2 years, 11 months ago

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@Bikram Sharma What I mean is when substituting the values h 1 , h 2 h_{1},h_{2} , h 1 = 20 2 h_{1}=\cfrac{20}{2} , h 2 = h 2 h_{2}=\cfrac{h}{2} . h 1 , h 2 h_{1}, h_{2} refer to the center of mass of the bottle and water respectively and separately(not together!). Hope it helps

donglin loo - 2 years, 11 months ago

Bikram, these values are from the image, they're not explicitly stated in the problem text...

C . - 2 years, 9 months ago
Binky Mh
Jul 1, 2018

To find the total centre of gravity C t C_t , we can take the centre of gravity of just the water C w C_w , the centre of gravity of just the bottle C b C_b , and find the point where the distance from each centre is the ratio between the mass of the bottle M b M_b and the mass of the water M w M_w . To do this, we find the distance between the two centres C b C w C_b - C_w , divide this by M w + M b M_w+M_b , and then multiply it by M b M_b . We can then add this to C w C_w to find C t C_t . C t = C w + ( C b C w ) × M b M b + M w C_t=C_w+(C_b-C_w)\times\frac{M_b}{M_b+M_w} We can now substitute the information we're given in the question to get: C t = h 2 + ( 10 h 2 ) × 12 12 + 36 × h C_t=\frac{h}{2}+\left(10-\frac{h}{2}\right)\times\frac{12}{12+36\times h} Simplify: C t = h 2 + ( 10 h 2 ) × 12 12 + 36 × h = h 2 + 20 h 2 + 6 h = 3 h 2 + 20 6 h + 2 C_t=\frac{h}{2}+\left(10-\frac{h}{2}\right)\times\frac{12}{12+36\times h}=\frac{h}{2}+\frac{20-h}{2+6h}=\frac{3 h^2 + 20}{6 h + 2} To find the local minimum, We need to differentiate this, using the quotient rule: d d h ( 3 h 2 + 20 6 h + 2 ) = ( 6 h + 2 ) ( 6 h ) ( 3 h 2 + 20 ) ( 6 ) ( 6 h + 2 ) 2 = 3 ( 3 h 2 + 2 h 20 ) 2 ( 3 h + 1 ) 2 \frac{d}{dh}\left(\frac{3 h^2 + 20}{6 h + 2}\right)=\frac{(6h+2)(6h)-(3h^2+20)(6)}{(6h+2)^2}=\frac{3(3h^2+2h-20)}{2(3h+1)^2} We then set it to equal 0 0 in order to find the local minimum, which we then solve: 3 ( 3 h 2 + 2 h 20 ) 2 ( 3 h + 1 ) 2 = 0 \frac{3(3h^2+2h-20)}{2(3h+1)^2}=0 Divide both sides by 3 2 ( 3 h + 1 ) 2 \frac{3}{2(3h+1)^2} : 3 h 2 + 2 h 20 = 0 3h^2+2h-20=0 Divide both sides by 3 3 again, then add 20 3 \frac{20}{3} : h 2 + 2 h 3 = 20 3 h^2+\frac{2h}{3}=\frac{20}{3} Then add 1 9 \frac{1}{9} so the left side of the question can be expressed as a square: h 2 + 2 h 3 + 1 9 = 61 9 h^2+\frac{2h}{3}+\frac{1}{9}=\frac{61}{9} ( h + 1 3 ) 2 = 61 9 (h+\frac{1}{3})^2=\frac{61}{9} And now we can easily solve for h h : h + 1 3 = 61 3 h+\frac{1}{3}=\frac{\sqrt{61}}{3} h = 61 3 1 3 2.2701 h=\frac{\sqrt{61}}{3}-\frac{1}{3}\approx\boxed{2.2701}

Excellent solution, even somewhat intuitively solved!

Christian Helms - 2 years, 11 months ago

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Thanks! In all honesty, I wasn't sure if my method was going to work until I put the answer in.

Binky MH - 2 years, 11 months ago

Excellently done indeed!

Rudrayan Kundu - 2 years, 9 months ago

This is not a solution, the others are fine, but puzzlement that the jar, like Bottom's Dream, "hath no bottom" (MSND, Act IV, end of scene i). If we assume that it hath a bottom, of density equal to that of the sides, then the optimal depth is slightly lower: 2.221487551 cm. However if the base has the same mass as the sides, then the optimal depth is 2 cm exactly.

In this same interlude it doth befall that I, one Snout by name, portray a wall. And such a wall as you may think as had ... a top as well as a Bottom. If you assume the top of the bottle weighs the same as the bottom, and both are included in the overall mass then the centre of mass shifts back to the original answer.

Richard Farrer - 2 years, 11 months ago
Aditya Akula
Jul 4, 2018

NO CALCULUS: If we imagine the process of adding water into the bottle, we realize that the center of mass will drop as water is initially added and then rise as more water is added above the center of mass. The problem then becomes finding the "turning point". Logically, this point happens when the center of mass is equal to the water line because additional water brings the center of mass up. To calculate the center of mass, we can simplify the bottle to a point mass of 12 12 g in the center of the bottle. Similarly, the water can be represented as a point mass. Let h h represent the height of filled water. The mass of water is then 36 h 36h and the point is at a height of h 2 \frac{h}{2} . To find the weighted average of the points (the center of mass), we write 10 12 + 36 h h 2 36 h + 12 \frac{10 \cdot 12+36h \cdot \frac{h}{2}}{36h+12} . The denominator represents the total mass. Since we are finding the point the center of mass is equal to the water line, we can set this equal to h h . Multiplying out, we get 36 h 2 + 12 h = 18 h 2 + 120 36h^2+12h=18h^2+120 , 18 h 2 + 12 h 120 = 0 18h^2+12h-120=0 , 3 h 2 + 2 h 10 = 0 3h^2+2h-10=0 , which yields the solution h = 61 1 3 = 2.270083225 \boxed{h=\frac{\sqrt{61}-1}{3}=2.270083225}

well thats clever

Julian Moik - 2 years, 11 months ago
Ankush Menat
Jul 3, 2018

I solved this using Solver feature found in most spreadsheet programs. (Libreoffice in my case)

how was it solve?

Judy Ann Padilla - 2 years, 7 months ago
Yumi Zhang
Jul 3, 2018

先把重心关于h的函数表示出来,然后求导,导数为0时的x值即为重心最小时的h值。

Haoran Wang
Jul 5, 2018

If added water's height h h exaclly equal to height of mass center, it should have lowest center of mass. So we can make this equations: 20 2 ( 12 ) + 1 ( 36 h ( h 2 ) ) 12 + 36 h = h \cfrac{\cfrac{20}{2}(12)+1(36h(\cfrac{h}{2}))}{12+36h}=h , simplification get 20 + 3 h 2 2 + 6 h = h \cfrac{20+3h^2}{2+6h}=h . then, 20 + 3 h 2 = 2 h + 6 h 2 20+3h^2=2h+6h^2 , 3 h 2 2 h + 20 = 0 -3h^2-2h+20=0 . use quadratic formula we get h = 2 ± 4 4 ( 3 ) ( 20 ) 2 ( 3 ) h=\cfrac{2\pm\sqrt{4-4(-3)(20)}}{2(3)} . simplification get h = 1 + ± 61 3 h=\cfrac{1+\pm\sqrt{61}}{3} . we don't need negative value, so final answer is h = 1 + 61 3 2.270 h=\cfrac{1+\sqrt{61}}{3}\approx\boxed{2.270} .

Kevin Tong
Jul 4, 2018

First, let's consider the center of mass of the bottle and water separately. Since the mass is evenly distributed throughout the length, the center of mass of the cylinder is at its mid-height. The center of mass of the water is also at its mid-height since the density of water is uniform throughout. Now, since the center of mass are directly on top of each other vertically, we will only consider the vertical component. The center of mass is essentially the weighted average of each center of mass, weighted with the mass at its location. Thus, the center of mass with a given water height of h h would be P = h 2 36 h + 10 12 36 h + 12 = 3 h 2 + 20 6 h + 2 P=\frac{\frac{h}{2}\cdot 36h + 10\cdot 12}{36h+12}=\frac{3h^2+20}{6h+2} P = 36 h 2 + 12 h 18 h 2 120 ( 6 h + 2 ) 2 = 0 P'=\frac{36h^2+12h-18h^2-120}{(6h+2)^2}=0 18 h 2 + 12 h 120 = 0 h 2.27 18h^2+12h-120=0 \implies h\approx 2.27

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