Hydrostatic Force Ratio

The sphere is just barely submerged in water.

Find the ratio of the hydrostatic force upon the bottom half of the sphere to the hydrostatic force upon the top half of the sphere.

Details and Assumptions:

  • Assume the whole set up is in vacuum.
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7 solutions

Peter Macgregor
Nov 13, 2017

Consider just the top half of the sphere (with a solid bottom). Suppose that the sphere is just submeged. The vertical (z) component of the hydrostatic force is then

hemisphere ρ g z z ^ d A \int \int _{\text{hemisphere}}\rho g z \mathbf{ \hat{z}\cdot dA} and the divergence theorem transforms this to

hemisphere ρ g d V = 2 3 π R 3 ρ g \int \int \int_{\text{hemisphere}}\rho g dV=\frac{2}{3}\pi R^{3}\rho g

(Alternatively, if you prefer Archimedes to Gauss, the buoyancy force equals the weight of the displaced water!)

We want the hydrostatic force acting on the domed upper surface of the hemisphere, so we must subtract the force that is acting on the flat disk at a depth of R, namely

pressure × area = ρ g R × π R 2 = π R 3 ρ g \text{pressure} \times \text{area}=\rho g R \times \pi R^{2}=\pi R^{3} \rho g

The hydrostatic force on the upper domed surface is thus 2 3 π R 3 ρ g π R 3 ρ g = 1 3 π R 3 ρ g equation 1 \frac{2}{3}\pi R^{3}\rho g-\pi R^{3} \rho g=-\frac{1}{3}\pi R^{3} \rho g\dots \text{equation 1}

Slightly adjusting the argument to suit the bottom hemisphere gives the force on the bottom dome as

2 3 π R 3 ρ g + π R 3 ρ g = 5 3 π R 3 ρ g equation 2 \frac{2}{3}\pi R^{3}\rho g+\pi R^{3} \rho g=\frac{5}{3}\pi R^{3} \rho g\dots \text{equation 2}

Comparing the two equations shows that the required ratio is 5 \boxed{5}

(strictly speaking it is -5)

Peter, I think you got wrong. I believe we don't need Gauss just Archimedes. I agree with you for the upper hemisphere its value is half o weight of sphere acting downwards, since the sphere is just touching the surface. So if we cut the sphere by equatorial plane and substitute this upper forces for its resultant acting from equatorial plane on the lower hemisphere the hydrostatic the resultant of lower forces must balance those plus the weight of the other have of the sphere. So the ratio must be 2. Can you imagine if the resultant of upper forces is just half of the weight of sphere five times means the lower forces will be pushing upwards two and a half the weight of sphere. Indeed 2 is maximum value for a submerged sphere because if you sink in deeper water this ratio will be decreasing till a limit of 1 at an infinite depth.

Mariano PerezdelaCruz - 3 years, 6 months ago

The hydrostatic force is the weight of water above, the volume of a sphere inscribed in a cylinder is 2/3 the volume of the cylinder, so the volume of water above the sphere is 1/6 the volume of the cylinder, and the volume of water above the bottom half surface of the sphere is 5/6. Then the ratio (5/6)/(1/6)=5.

Steven Chase
Nov 1, 2017

This could be done in spherical coordinates, but I'll do it in Cartesian coordinates, because that way is more elementary. Imagine the sphere as being built out of infinitesimally thin disks stacked up on top of each other. Only a tiny bit of area on each disk is exposed to the vertical pressure force, because the rest of the area is covered by the (very slightly smaller) disk on top. Suppose that x x is the horizontal direction, and y y is the vertical direction (in which there is a pressure gradient).

x 2 + y 2 = R 2 2 x + 2 y d y d x = 0 x d x = y d y x^2 + y^2 = R^2 \\ 2x + 2y \frac{dy}{dx} = 0 \\ x \, dx = -y \, dy

Define the infinitesimal area:

d A = π ( x 2 ( x d x ) 2 ) = 2 π x d x = 2 π y d y dA = \pi (x^2 - (x - dx)^2) = 2 \pi x \, dx = -2 \pi y \, dy

Define the pressure (assume pressure P 0 P_0 at the sphere center ( y = 0 ) (y=0) and water density ρ \rho ):

P = P 0 ρ g y P = P_0 - \rho g y

Differential force:

d F = P d A = ( P 0 ρ g y ) ( 2 π y d y ) = 2 π ( P 0 y ρ g y 2 ) d y dF = P \, dA = (P_0 - \rho g y)(-2 \pi y \, dy) = -2 \pi (P_0 y - \rho g y^2) \, dy

Find the force on the lower half:

F L = 2 π R 0 ( P 0 y ρ g y 2 ) d y = 2 π ( P 0 R 2 2 ρ g R 3 3 ) = 2 π ( P 0 R 2 2 + ρ g R 3 3 ) F_L = -2\pi \int_{-R}^0 (P_0 y - \rho g y^2) \, dy \\ = -2\pi (-P_0 \frac{R^2}{2} - \rho g \frac{R^3}{3}) \\ = 2\pi (P_0 \frac{R^2}{2} + \rho g \frac{R^3}{3})

Find the force on the upper half:

F U = 2 π 0 R ( P 0 y ρ g y 2 ) d y = 2 π ( P 0 R 2 2 ρ g R 3 3 ) = 2 π ( P 0 R 2 2 + ρ g R 3 3 ) F_U = -2\pi \int_0^R (P_0 y - \rho g y^2) \, dy \\ = -2\pi (P_0 \frac{R^2}{2} - \rho g \frac{R^3}{3}) \\ = 2\pi (-P_0 \frac{R^2}{2} + \rho g \frac{R^3}{3})

As a check, find the total force, which we know must be the weight of the displaced water.

F T = F L + F U = 2 π ( P 0 R 2 2 + ρ g R 3 3 ) + 2 π ( P 0 R 2 2 + ρ g R 3 3 ) = 4 3 π R 3 ρ g F_T = F_L + F_U = 2\pi (P_0 \frac{R^2}{2} + \rho g \frac{R^3}{3}) + 2\pi (-P_0 \frac{R^2}{2} + \rho g \frac{R^3}{3}) = \frac{4}{3} \pi R^3 \rho g

We know that the sphere is just barely submerged. Therefore, the pressure at the sphere center is as follows:

P 0 = ρ g R P_0 = \rho g R

Substitute into upper and lower force equations:

F L = 2 π ( ρ g R R 2 2 + ρ g R 3 3 ) = 2 π ρ g ( 5 6 R 3 ) F U = 2 π ( ρ g R R 2 2 + ρ g R 3 3 ) = 2 π ρ g ( 1 6 R 3 ) F L F U = 5 F_L = 2\pi \Big(\rho g R \frac{R^2}{2} + \rho g \frac{R^3}{3}\Big) = 2 \pi \rho g \Big(\frac{5}{6} R^3\Big) \\ F_U = 2\pi \Big(-\rho g R \frac{R^2}{2} + \rho g \frac{R^3}{3}\Big) = 2 \pi \rho g \Big(-\frac{1}{6} R^3\Big) \\ \frac{|F_L|}{|F_U|} = 5

That is a very helpful solution. Thanks for your answer.

Sunny Dhondkar - 3 years, 7 months ago

Any shortcuts

Suneel Kumar - 3 years, 7 months ago

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this solution is the best way to do it, no other shortcuts may be there. I tried many techniques but by shortcut, the answer always turns out to be 1 (which is wrong).

Sunny Dhondkar - 3 years, 7 months ago

Shouldn't it be specified in the question that the sphere is floating JUST beneath the surface of the water? This is because I had assumed that the sphere was anywhere in the water...

Kanad Pardeshi - 3 years, 7 months ago

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Yes. In fact, it used to say that when I solved it. Please report

Steven Chase - 3 years, 7 months ago

What pressure you assume acting on the free surface... vacuum?

Mariano PerezdelaCruz - 3 years, 6 months ago

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Yes, zero pressure at the surface

Steven Chase - 3 years, 6 months ago

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Don't you think is a kind of unrealistic scenario since we are assuming "g" as specific gravity on earth surface.To be assume zero pressure the all scenario should be in a vacuum enviroment artificially produced, that will be imposible since the vapour pressure of the water will not permit it.

Mariano PerezdelaCruz - 3 years, 6 months ago

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@Mariano PerezdelaCruz Yes, that's true. We could easily modify this problem to have a non-zero starting pressure. It wouldn't change the solution process at all.

Steven Chase - 3 years, 6 months ago

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@Steven Chase But if you have atmospheric pressure acting the equivalent it will be around ten meter of water on top, to be add to both forces so the ratio it does not hold.

Mariano PerezdelaCruz - 3 years, 6 months ago

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@Mariano PerezdelaCruz Yes, the ratio would be different in that case.

Steven Chase - 3 years, 6 months ago

Following my above comment. Do you not think if the resultant of the upper forces acting on sphere are 5 times the lower forces the sphere must be sinking?... but it is not. Indeed the situation of bouyancy zero touching the free surface is not real neither floating at midwater, is as unstable like keeping a neddle upright. The float body at that critical zero bouyancy goes down, honestly I do not know for sure why ?. Maybe the difference of Young Modulus of fluid or/and solid changes marginally the volume.

Mariano PerezdelaCruz - 3 years, 6 months ago

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@Mariano PerezdelaCruz The lower force is 5 times the upper. This therefore balances out with gravity, resulting in stasis.

Steven Chase - 3 years, 6 months ago
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Nov 18, 2017

No need of integrals. Imagine cutting the ball into an upper and a lower hemisphere (both solid independent bodies) and move them apart horizontally. Now for the upper half, its buoyant force can be calculated with F = ρgV = ρg · ( 2 3 \frac{2}{3} πr³) = 2 3 \frac{2}{3} πρgr³. This force is, on the other hand, the resultant of the hydrostatic forces on the curved top ( F 1 F_{1} ) and the flat bottom ( F 2 F_{2} ) . F 2 F_{2} = p·S = (ρgr) · (πr²) = πρgr³. Thus by subtraction, F 1 F_{1} equals 1 3 \frac{1}{3} πρgr³. This is identical to the hydrostatic force on the upper hemisphere of the original body. Analogous for the lower half, we get 5 3 \frac{5}{3} πρgr³. So the answer is 5.

Mark Hennings
Nov 13, 2017

Suppose that the centre of the sphere is a distance k R kR below the surface, where R R is the radius of the sphere. Thus k 1 k \ge 1 . Consider splitting the sphere into two hemispherical halves by making a horizontal cut through its centre.

The upper hemisphere is acted upon by the hydrostatic force F T F_T on the top half of the sphere, plus a hydrostatic force k R ρ g × π R 2 = k π ρ g R 3 kR \rho g \times \pi R^2 = k\pi \rho g R^3 on the circular base. The difference between these forces is the buoyancy force on the hemisphere, and so k π ρ g R 3 F T = 2 3 π ρ g R 3 k\pi \rho g R^3 - F_T \; = \; \tfrac23\pi \rho g R^3 and hence F T = 1 3 π ρ g ( 3 k 2 ) F_T \; = \; \tfrac13\pi \rho g(3k-2) Similarly, the lower hemisphere is held in place by the hydrostatic force F B F_B on the bottom of the sphere and a hydrostatic force k π ρ g R 3 k\pi\rho g R^3 on the circular top of the hemisphere. Thus F B k π ρ g R 3 = 2 3 π ρ g R 3 F_B - k\pi\rho g R^3 \; = \; \tfrac23\pi \rho g R^3 and hence F B = 1 3 π ρ g ( 3 k + 2 ) F_B \; = \; \tfrac13\pi \rho g(3k+2) Thus the ratio of the hydrostatic forces on the upper and lower hemispheres is r = F B F T = 3 k + 2 3 k 2 r \; = \; \frac{F_B}{F_T} \; = \; \frac{3k+2}{3k-2} The question does not specify the depth of the sphere , but the fact that k 1 k \ge 1 tells us that 1 < r 5 1 < r \le 5 . Given the answer options for this question, we must have k = 1 k=1 and r = 5 r=\boxed{5} . The sphere must be just below the surface of the water.

I do think the problem is ill posed. What about the pressure on the free surface it is 0 what means vacuum neglecting the atsmopheric preassure.

As per your solution if k values -2/3. Just 1/3 sumerged that means Ft=0. ??. I do agree with you about the choices, but ignoring atsmopheric preassure it looks unrealistic in real physical world.

Mariano PerezdelaCruz - 3 years, 6 months ago
Kelvin Hong
Nov 15, 2017

The pressure experienced by the upper sphere can be written as

p = ρ g h = ρ g R ( 1 c o s ϕ ) p = \rho g h = \rho g R (1-cos\phi)

If we want to calculate the force, we might use F = p d A F = pdA but it is slightly different,

It should be F = p d A c o s ϕ F = pdA cos\phi because we added up the force altogether to form a force which straightly downward.

F = p d A c o s ϕ = ρ g R ( c o s ϕ c o s 2 ϕ ) d A F = pdA cos\phi = \int \rho g R (cos\phi - cos^2 \phi )dA

Set surface vector r = < R s i n ϕ c o s θ , R s i n ϕ s i n θ , R c o s ϕ > r = <Rsin\phi cos\theta, Rsin\phi sin\theta, Rcos\phi >

The mini area d A dA calculated as r ϕ × r θ d ϕ d θ | r_\phi \times r_\theta |d\phi d\theta as well.

We get d A = R 2 s i n ϕ d ϕ d θ dA = R^2 sin\phi d\phi d\theta .

So we can calculate the force act on the upper sphere F u p p e r F_{upper} and substitute V = 4 3 π R 3 V = \frac{4}{3}\pi R^3 :

F u p p e r = p d A c o s ϕ = 0 2 π 0 π 2 ρ g R ( c o s ϕ c o s 2 ϕ ) R 2 s i n ϕ d ϕ d θ = 1 4 ρ g V F_{upper} = \int pdAcos\phi \\ = \int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \rho g R (cos\phi - cos^2 \phi) R^2 sin\phi d\phi d\theta \\ = \frac{1}{4}\rho g V

And this is important part, we know that because the sphere is submerge in the water, so the total hydrostatic force act on it will be

F = m g = ρ g V F = mg = \rho g V

So , the bottom force minus the upper force will be ρ g V \rho g V

F b o t t o m = 5 4 ρ g V F_{bottom} = \frac{5}{4}\rho g V

So the ratio is 5 \boxed{5}

I think it should be mentioned that the sphere is JUST below the surface..it is not that obvious from the wordings or the picture

Yes. In fact, it used to say that when I solved it.

Steven Chase - 3 years, 7 months ago

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