Atoms....

You are given a new unknown element of atomic weight 124 (For time being, assume that this element has not been discovered) and you wish to find out the radius of the nucleus of the atoms present in it. You do the following steps:

Step 1 : You carefully cut out a 3 3 cm by 3 3 cm mono-layer of atoms from it, and weigh it accurately and precisely to get 0.6 0.6 nano grams. You can safely assume that the mono-layer looks similar to the figure above.

Note that this is not the actual mono-layer you have, but its lattice is similar to the above showed picture. We also assume that the atoms are spherical. The yellow dots represent the nuclei of the atoms.

Step 2 : You put aside the mono-layer, and take a sample of radioactive radium bromide, which emits α \alpha radiation. With the help of a Geiger counter ( or simply, a Detector ), you measure the count rate of this beam of α \alpha particles to be 132000 132000 hits min 1 ^{-1} . The setup is something like this :

Step 3 : Without further delay, you subject the mono-layer you have with the same radiation uniformly throughout its surface. You also place a Geiger counter beside the emitter to measure the count rate of rebounded α \alpha particles, which you found out to be 2 2 hits min 1 ^{-1} . The setup is something like this:

Now, given this information, you calculate the radius of nuclei of the atoms in the mono-layer to be some λ × 1 0 β \lambda \times 10^{\beta} metres, where 1 < λ < 10 1 < \lambda < 10 . Enter β \beta as your answer.

Details and Assumptions

  • Avogadro Number is taken as 6.023 × 1 0 23 6.023 \times 10^{23} .

  • Pi is taken as 22 7 \frac{22}{7} .

  • α \alpha particles are assumed to be point sized, when compared to large sized atoms in the mono-layer.

  • Step 2 and Step 3 are performed for the same amount of time.


This problem is original, and is inspired from MIT 5.111 Principles of Chemical Science Lecture-2, where the students perform an in-class imitation of the scattering experiment and calculate the radius of the "ping-pong ball" nuclei.

Since this problem is very different from conventional ones, people are invited to take part in discussions, and also suitable corrections will be made, if necessary.


The answer is -11.

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2 solutions

Let the radius of the nuclei (in meters) be r r . To find r r , we do the following calculations :

Step 1 : Number of atoms in the mono-layer( n n ) = Weight in grams Gram Atomic Weight × N A = 6 × 1 0 10 124 × 6.023 × 1 0 23 = 2.91435 × 1 0 12 \dfrac{\text{Weight in grams}}{\text{Gram Atomic Weight}} \times N_{A} = \dfrac{6 \times 10^{-10}}{124} \times 6.023 \times 10^{23} = 2.91435 \times 10^{12} .

Step 2 :

Probability of back-scattering = Number of Rebounds Total number of hits = Rebound count rate Hit count rate = 2 132000 \dfrac{\text{Number of Rebounds}}{\text{Total number of hits}} = \dfrac{\text{Rebound count rate}}{\text{Hit count rate}} = \dfrac{2}{132000} .

Since the particles rebound when and only when they hit one of the nuclei, we can compute this probability in another way :

Probability of back-scattering = Area occupied by the nuclei Total area of the mono-layer \dfrac{\text{Area occupied by the nuclei}}{\text{Total area of the mono-layer}}

= ( π r 2 ) × n Area of the mono-layer = \dfrac{(\pi r^{2}) \times n }{\text{Area of the mono-layer}}

= 22 × r 2 × 2.91435 × 1 0 12 7 × 9 × 1 0 4 =\dfrac{22 \times r^{2} \times 2.91435 \times 10^{12} }{7 \times 9 \times 10^{-4}} .

Step 3 :

Now, we equate the final answers of both ways in which we computed the same probability :

22 × r 2 × 2.91435 × 1 0 12 7 × 9 × 1 0 4 = 2 132000 \dfrac{22 \times r^{2} \times 2.91435 \times 10^{12} }{7 \times 9 \times 10^{-4}} = \dfrac{2}{132000} r = 3.8584755... × 1 0 11 m \Rightarrow \boxed{r = 3.8584755... \times 10^{-11} \quad m } .

Hence, the required answer is ( 11 ) \boxed{(-11)} .

Moderator note:

An exceptionally clear solution. Are you prepared to take on scattering cross sections?

Here is the link to a gif on the experiment . Also, here is the link to the lecture.

Venkata Karthik Bandaru - 5 years, 7 months ago

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But,the value of λ \lambda could also be, 0.385 > 0 0.385>0 ,but then the answer would become, 10 10 ,please rectify your mistake.

Adarsh Kumar - 5 years, 7 months ago

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Oh, thank you ! It was a typo, I actually wanted to make the restriction 1 < λ < 10 1 < \lambda < 10 .

Venkata Karthik Bandaru - 5 years, 7 months ago

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@Venkata Karthik Bandaru Ah!Of course!

Adarsh Kumar - 5 years, 7 months ago

Not too tough as said by title .Nice solution!!.

Gautam Sharma - 5 years, 7 months ago

But, I got 3.433*10^-11.Most probably a calculation mistake on my part.Nice problem, though!

Anibrata Bhattacharya - 5 years, 7 months ago

You shouldn't have asked beta.. It could be guessed. The order of radius of uranium nucleus is 15 fm or 10^-14m order wise. The element you talk of is supposed to be bigger. Starting from 10^-13 and given 3 chances, maybe.

Pratyush Pandey - 4 years, 3 months ago

Did everything correct, did not put (-ve) sign... :(

Arunava Das - 3 years, 4 months ago

This is highly over-rated.

Miloje Đukanović - 5 years, 7 months ago

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Well, 257 views ; 24 attempts ; 12 solvers is a fact sir. Most people fail to apply probability to this problem.

Venkata Karthik Bandaru - 5 years, 7 months ago

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It's not easy, but also not a 400 point-problem

Miloje Đukanović - 5 years, 7 months ago

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@Miloje Đukanović Sorry sir ! Points are not in my hands, it is based on community response. I have tried my best to keep the problem concise and clear.

Venkata Karthik Bandaru - 5 years, 7 months ago

Its not probability it is just unitary method.

Gautam Sharma - 5 years, 7 months ago

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@Gautam Sharma Hmmmm I used probability of backscattering.

Venkata Karthik Bandaru - 5 years, 7 months ago
Pulkit Gupta
Nov 2, 2015

I did using the following three steps :

(a) Calculate the total number of atoms of the element in the sample (call it N).

(b) Since the radiation is uniform, calculate the area of which the alpha particles actually rebound.

(c) Now, this area is occupied collectively by N atoms. Calculated the area occupied by one element.

Hints for steps:

(a) Apply formula : N = (moles of element in sample)(Avogadro's number).

(b) 132,000 alpha particles strike .0009 square meters of area. How much area will 2 particles strike?

(c) N atoms occupy the above found area. How much area would 1 atom occupy? Apply standard area formula for circle and you have the answer.

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