Solve it without calculus or quadratic

A person starts walking from point A A with a certain velocity on the highway. Point C C is in the grassland at a distance l l from the highway and he wants to get there as soon as possible. However, his speed is Q Q times slower walking on grass than on highway. At what distance x x ( A D > x ) (AD>x) from point D D should he change his path so that he reaches point C C in minimum time.

Assume l = 9 m l=9\text{ m} , Q = 1 0 1 2 Q= 10^{\frac{1}{2}} .


The answer is 3.

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4 solutions

Yash Sharma
Apr 10, 2015

This is a really nice solution, Yash. I don't think I've ever seen this TIR approach before for this type of question.

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 2 months ago

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........actually the problem is from I.E. IRODOV.....but i wanted to share my method..... although i dont know if anyone has thought it before......

Yash Sharma - 6 years, 2 months ago

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Thanks bro for giving us a literal conceptual question

vats nathwani - 6 years, 2 months ago

Nice to know other people thought of this too. I was very excited to discover this on my own. Later I found that this was there in the class 12 textbook of CBSE syllabus. :/ so much for the excitement.

Raghav Vaidyanathan - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Raghav Vaidyanathan well i really didnt know about that.......i was just excited just like you were.........thanks for telling bro........

Yash Sharma - 6 years, 2 months ago

When shortest time is asked, four words come to mind: Fermat's principle, Snell's Law.

Raghav Vaidyanathan - 6 years, 2 months ago

What is meant by Q times slower?

Guiseppi Butel - 6 years, 2 months ago

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if he travels with a velocity v on highway.............he travels with (v/Q) in grassland

Yash Sharma - 6 years, 2 months ago

Yash has provided an elegant solution, so I'll provide the 'boring' one.

Let A D = d , |AD| = d, and let v v be the person's speed on the highway. Then the time of travel from A A to C C is given by the equation

t = d x v + x 2 + l 2 v 10 . t = \dfrac{d - x}{v} + \dfrac{\sqrt{x^{2} + l^{2}}}{\dfrac{v}{\sqrt{10}}}.

Now since d d and l l are constants, the derivative with respect to x x is

d t d x = 1 v + 10 x v x 2 + l 2 . \dfrac{dt}{dx} = -\dfrac{1}{v} + \dfrac{\sqrt{10}*x}{v\sqrt{x^{2} + l^{2}}}.

To find any extrema, we set this equal to 0 , 0, which gives us

x 2 + l 2 = 10 x x 2 + l 2 = 10 x 2 9 x 2 = l 2 x = l 3 . \sqrt{x^{2} + l^{2}} = \sqrt{10}*x \Longrightarrow x^{2} + l^{2} = 10x^{2} \Longrightarrow 9x^{2} = l^{2} \Longrightarrow x = \dfrac{l}{3}.

So with l = 9 l = 9 m we end up with x = 3 x = \boxed{3} m.

To demonstrate that this value yields a minimum, note that

d 2 t d x 2 = 10 l 2 v ( x 2 + l 2 ) 3 2 > 0 , \dfrac{d^{2}t}{dx^{2}} = \dfrac{\sqrt{10}*l^{2}}{v(x^{2} + l^{2})^{\frac{3}{2}}} \gt 0,

and thus by the second derivative test any extrema will be a minimum.

thank u sir for the complement.............and your solution is also nice..one............after all nothing in physics is boring.......

Yash Sharma - 6 years, 2 months ago

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Haha. You're right; all physics is interesting, especially when it's looked at from a new angle. :)

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 2 months ago

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just like i did here... :)

Yash Sharma - 6 years, 2 months ago

Same question see my solution

Gautam Sharma - 6 years, 2 months ago

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honestly bro..........i did not see that solution before.........

Yash Sharma - 6 years, 2 months ago

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No no not at all .I was just showing that i did the same that's all.I don't doubt u.

Gautam Sharma - 6 years, 2 months ago
Lu Chee Ket
Oct 10, 2015

Refractive index method is not applied as the case is not usual.

Refractive index method is the basis of this question which does not apply calculus. Sorry for using calculus here but I think the concept is also good. There was a question in year 2014 about running on the beach and jumping into the sea which was similar to this question.

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 8 months ago
Peter Macgregor
Apr 11, 2015

Like Yash I solved this using the analogy with optics.

I imagined the light ray going from C, through B to A.

The refracted ray BA lies along the boundary.

So CBD is the critical angle which is related to the refractive index 10 \sqrt{10} by

sin C B D = 1 10 \sin{CBD}=\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{10}}

From this it follows easily that

tan C B D = 1 3 \tan{CBD}=\dfrac{1}{3}

and so

B D = 9 3 = 3 BD=\dfrac{9}{3}=\boxed{3}

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