How Much Can Ian Erase?

Geometry Level 2

Ian has an eraser in the shape of a cuboid. He measures the diagonals of the faces of his eraser and gets the lengths 85 , 13 2 , 5 13 \sqrt{85}, 13\sqrt{2}, 5\sqrt{13} . What is the volume of Ian's eraser?


The answer is 714.

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19 solutions

Ajay Maity
Dec 28, 2013

Let us say the dimensions of cuboid are l l , b b and h h .

So,

l 2 + b 2 = 85 \sqrt{l^{2} + b^{2}} = \sqrt{85}

l 2 + b 2 = 85 l^{2} + b^{2} = 85 .......... (i)

b 2 + h 2 = 13 2 \sqrt{b^{2} + h^{2}} = 13 \sqrt{2}

b 2 + h 2 = 338 b^{2} + h^{2} = 338 .......... (ii)

h 2 + l 2 = 5 13 \sqrt{h^{2} + l^{2}} = 5 \sqrt{13}

h 2 + l 2 = 325 h^{2} + l^{2} = 325 .......... (iii)

Now, lets calculate the values of l l , b b and h h .

Add (i), (ii) and (iii),

l 2 + b 2 + h 2 = 374 l^{2} + b^{2} + h^{2} = 374 .......... (iv)

Now when we subtract (i), (ii) and (iii) from (iv), we get

l = 6 l = 6

b = 7 b = 7

h = 17 h = 17

So, the volume of cuboid is l . b . h l.b.h

= 714 = 714

That's the answer!

I don't know if anyone noticed it, but l 2 + b 2 + h 2 \sqrt{l^{2}+b^{2}+h^{2}} is equal to the diagonal D D of the cuboid. If we use the Pythagorean Theorem we find D 2 = h 2 + ( l 2 + b 2 ) D^{2}=h^{2}+(l^{2}+b^{2}) , because l 2 + b 2 l^{2}+b^{2} is the diagonal of the base rectangle. Then we could find the height of the cuboid and with that the lenght and breadth too.

Eduardo Petry - 7 years, 5 months ago

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Its good you found it yourself but its already a known property.

Anany Prakhar - 7 years, 2 months ago

But what about the diagonal of cuboid, D D ? How do you know that?

Ajay Maity - 7 years, 5 months ago

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Assume a cuboid has dimensions l l , b b and h h . Let the diagonal of the base rectangle be d d . Apply the Pythagorean Theorem and find d = l 2 + b 2 d=\sqrt{l^{2}+b^{2}} . Now visualize a right triangle of sides d d , h h and D D , being D D the diagonal of the cuboid. Hence, D 2 = d 2 + h 2 D 2 = ( l 2 + b 2 ) 2 + h 2 D 2 = l 2 + b 2 + h 2 D^{2} = d^{2}+h^{2} \rightarrow D^{2}=(\sqrt{l^{2}+b^{2}})^{2}+h^{2} \rightarrow D^{2}=l^{2}+b^{2}+h^{2} .

Eduardo Petry - 7 years, 5 months ago

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@Eduardo Petry Okay, but you didn't get my doubt.

It is true that D 2 = h 2 + ( l 2 + b 2 ) D^{2} = h^{2} + (l^{2} + b^{2}) . We know what is l 2 + b 2 l^{2} + b^{2} , and we need to find h h . My question is what is the value of D D which you will substitute here?

Ajay Maity - 7 years, 5 months ago

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@Ajay Maity At first you'd have to do the same process you did until you arrive at l 2 + b 2 + h 2 = 374 l^{2}+b^{2}+h^{2}=374 ..... (iv), then use D = 374 D=\sqrt{374} . It's just another way to approach the problem, nothing really special, but I found it worthy to be pointed out.

Eduardo Petry - 7 years, 5 months ago

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@Eduardo Petry Okay, cool. Thanks!

Ajay Maity - 7 years, 5 months ago

thnkq :)

Sowmy Vivek - 7 years, 4 months ago
Riccardo Zanotto
Dec 28, 2013

Let a , b , c a, b, c be the sides of the cuboid. We are looking for the volume, which is V = a b c V=abc From Pythagorean theorem we get { a 2 + b 2 = 85 b 2 + c 2 = 2 169 c 2 + a 2 = 25 13 \begin {cases} a^2+b^2=85\\ b^2+c^2=2\cdot169\\ c^2+a^2=25\cdot13\end {cases} From this we can solve for a 2 , b 2 , c 2 a^2, b^2, c^2 , since a 2 = ( a 2 + b 2 ) + ( c 2 + a 2 ) ( b 2 + c 2 ) 2 \displaystyle a^2=\frac {(a^2+b^2)+(c^2+a^2)-(b^2+c^2)}{2} So we get { a 2 = 85 + 325 338 2 = 36 b 2 = 85 + 338 325 2 = 49 c 2 = 338 + 325 85 2 = 289 \begin {cases} a^2=\frac {85+325-338}{2}=36\\ b^2=\frac {85+338-325}{2}=49\\ c^2=\frac {338+325-85}{2}=289\end {cases} and we finally get a = 6 , b = 7 , c = 17 a=6,\;\; b=7,\;\; c=17 Which leads us to V = 6 7 17 = 714 V=6\cdot7\cdot17=\boxed{714}

the best solution (Y)

Faraz Nadeem - 7 years, 5 months ago

nice ..

ROFII HAMDI - 7 years, 4 months ago

nice one.

Jomel Alanzalon - 7 years, 4 months ago
Ayon Pal
Dec 28, 2013

Let the length of the eraser is = x x , width = y y and height = z z

Then diagonal between length and width x 2 + y 2 = 85 \implies \sqrt{x^2 + y^2} = \sqrt{85}

x 2 + y 2 = 85.... ( i ) \implies x^2 + y^2 = 85 .... (i)

And, the diagonal between width and height y 2 + z 2 = 13 2 \implies \sqrt{y^2 + z^2} = 13\sqrt{2}

y 2 + z 2 = 338.... ( i i ) \implies y^2 + z^2 = 338 .... (ii)

And the diagonal between length and height x 2 + z 2 = 5 13 \implies \sqrt{x^2 + z^2} = 5\sqrt{13}

x 2 + z 2 = 325.... ( i i i ) \implies x^2 + z^2 = 325 .... (iii)

Solving (i), (ii) and (iii) we get the values of length x = 6 x = 6 , width y = 7 y = 7 and height z = 17 z = 17 .

So, the volume of the eraser is = x × y × z 6 × 7 × 17 714 x \times y \times z \implies 6 \times 7 \times 17 \implies \boxed{714}

Raj Magesh
Dec 28, 2013

We know that the answer has to be an integer (thanks Brilliant!). We know that the diagonals are of lengths 85 \sqrt{85} , 338 \sqrt{338} and 325 \sqrt{325} . Let us try to decompose 85 85 , 338 338 and 325 325 into the sum of squares (since the diagonals are the square root of the sum of the squares of the sides).

With some trial and error, we find:

85 = 49 + 36 = 7 2 + 6 2 85 = 49 + 36 = 7^{2} + 6^{2}

338 = 289 + 49 = 1 7 2 + 7 2 338 = 289 + 49 = 17^{2} + 7^{2}

325 = 36 + 289 = 6 2 + 1 7 2 325 = 36 + 289 = 6^{2} + 17^{2}

Hence, the side lengths are 6 6 , 7 7 and 17 17 , giving us a volume of 6 × 7 × 17 = 714 6 \times 7 \times 17 = \boxed{714}

Same solution as mine :)

Ricka Valino - 7 years, 5 months ago

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Yeah, but it's only easy because the numbers here are small... : ) Otherwise, the other methods are obviously far better.

Raj Magesh - 7 years, 5 months ago

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Hi Raj! In fact brilliant answers are integers, thus in this case the volume has to be an integer, but this fact do not imply that the sides are integers. For example the sides can be of the form ( m , n 2 , p 2 ) (m, n\sqrt{2}, p\sqrt{2}) , where m , n , p m, n,p are integers.

Jorge Tipe - 7 years, 5 months ago

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@Jorge Tipe Right, of course! It's only because 85 was easily decomposed into 49 + 36 that I solved it this way.

Raj Magesh - 7 years, 5 months ago

Trial and Error, how must people find answers!

Nanayaranaraknas Vahdam - 7 years, 2 months ago

I USED THE SAME METHOD:)

Abdur Rehman Zahid - 7 years, 1 month ago
Haroun Meghaichi
Dec 28, 2013

Let a > b > c > 0 a>b>c>0 be the length of the sides of this cuboid, we have : { a 2 + b 2 = 169 × 2 = 338. ( 1 ) a 2 + c 2 = 25 × 13 = 325 ( 2 ) b 2 + c 2 = 85. ( 3 ) \begin{cases} a^2+b^2 = 169\times 2 =338.\ \ \ \ \ \ (1) \\ a^2+c^2=25\times 13 =325 \ \ \ \ \ \ (2) \\ b^2+c^2=85. \ \ \ \ \ \ (3)\end{cases} Now : ( 1 ) + ( 2 ) ( 3 ) 2 a 2 = 578 a = 17. (1)+(2)-(3) \Leftrightarrow 2a^2 =578\Longrightarrow a=17. With the same technique we get : b = 7 b=7 , and: c = 6 c=6 .

the volume is : 17 × 7 × 6 = 714 . 17\times 7\times 6 = \boxed{714}.

Sunil Pradhan
Jan 14, 2014

Draw figure. h² + l² = (√85)² = 85, l² + b² = (13√2)² = 339 , b² + h² = (5√13)² = 325

adding 2(l² + b² + h²) = 748, then (l² + b² + h²) = 374 solving above equations,

b² = 289, and b = 17 h² = 36 and h = 6 l² = 49, and l = 7

volume = 17 × 6 × 7 = 714

Reeshabh Ranjan
Jan 7, 2014

Let the dimensions be L x B x H

So using the Pythagoras theorem, let the first diagonal be √(l^2 + h^2) = √85....................................1

Similarly, √(h^2 + h^2) = 5√13 ....................................2

and √(h^2 + b^2) = 13√2 ....................................3

On squaring both sides of 1, 2 and 3, we get l^2 + h^2 = 85

h^2 + b^2 = 169 x 2

and l^2 + b^2 = 25 x 13

On solving the equation, we get the three variables l=6, b=17 and h=7.

So volume = l x b x h = 17 x 7 x 6 = 714

Jan J.
Dec 28, 2013

Suppose the sides are a , b , c a,b,c , then by the Pythagorean theorem we get a 2 + b 2 = 85 a^2 + b^2 = 85 b 2 + c 2 = ( 13 2 ) 2 b^2 + c^2 = \left(13 \cdot \sqrt{2}\right)^2 c 2 + a 2 = ( 5 13 ) 2 c^2 + a^2 = \left(5 \cdot \sqrt{13}\right)^2 Solving this yields ( a , b , c ) = ( 6 , 7 , 17 ) (a,b,c) = (6,7,17) , hence the volume is 6 7 17 = 714 6 \cdot 7 \cdot 17 = \boxed{714}

Jubayer Nirjhor
Dec 28, 2013

Suppose the sides are a , b , c a,b,c . We get three equations.

a 2 + b 2 = 85 a 2 + b 2 = 85 \sqrt{a^2+b^2}=\sqrt{85} ~~~~~ \Longrightarrow ~~~ a^2+b^2=85 b 2 + c 2 = 13 2 b 2 + c 2 = 338 \sqrt{b^2+c^2}=13\sqrt{2} ~~~~~ \Longrightarrow ~~~ b^2+c^2=338 c 2 + a 2 = 5 13 c 2 + a 2 = 325 \sqrt{c^2+a^2}=5\sqrt{13} ~~~~~ \Longrightarrow ~~~ c^2+a^2=325

Solving these equations is trivial by simply eliminating variables, and we get: ( a , b , c ) = ( 6 , 7 , 17 ) (a,b,c)=(6,7,17)

Hence the volume is: a b c = 6 7 17 = 714 abc=6\cdot 7\cdot 17 = \fbox{714}

Let the sides of cuboid = a,b and c So , a^2+b^2=〖(√98)〗^2=98-----(1) b^2+c^2=〖(13√2)〗^2=338-----(2) c^2+a^2=〖(5√13)〗^2=325-----(3) By performing eqn(2)- eqn (3), we have b^2-a^2=13-----(4) Now eqn (1)-eqn (4), we have b=7, Putting b=7 on eqn (2) we got c=17 and putting b=7 on eqn (1) we got a=6 So the volume of Ians eraser is = abc= (6)(7)(17)= 714

Elkio deAtn
Apr 12, 2014

a²+b²=85 [1] b²+c²=2 13 13 [2] a²+c²=13*25 [3] Can be easily solved by doing: [1]-[2]+[3]->a=6 and then: b=7 and c=17 So that abc=714

Dhananjay Dileep
Feb 10, 2014

l^2 + b^2 =338

l^2 + h^2=85

b^2+ h^2=325

subtracting 2 eq from 1st eq

and adding to third equation

so b=17 therefore l=7 h=6

volume=l b h=17 7 6=714

Jeremi Litarowicz
Jan 19, 2014

Let a a , b b and c c denote the lengths of the sides of the cuboid. We can then write down the following euqations: a 2 + b 2 = 85 b = 85 a 2 a^{2}+b^{2}=85 \Rightarrow b=\sqrt{85-a^{2}} a 2 + c 2 = 338 c = 338 a 2 a^{2}+c^{2}=338 \Rightarrow c=\sqrt{338-a^{2}} c 2 + b 2 = 325 85 a 2 + 338 a 2 = 325 a = 7 c^{2}+b^{2}=325 \Rightarrow 85-a^{2}+338-a^{2}=325 \Rightarrow a=7 Thus we get that b = 6 b=6 and c = 17 c=17 . We can now conclude that the volume of the eraser is a b c = 6 × 7 × 17 = 714 a b c=6 \times 7 \times 17=\boxed{714}

Rasched Haidari
Jan 13, 2014

Using Pythagoras Theorem we get : a^{2}+ b^{2}= 85 and a^{2} + c^{2} = 338 and c^{2} + b^{2} = 325. The letters a,b and c stand for each edge of the cuboid. Rearranging and solving these equations gives us the values of a=7, b=6 and c=17. To get the volume we multiply length by width by height. This gives us 7 \times 6 \times 17= \boxed{714}

Nicholas Wei
Jan 7, 2014

There are 3 diagonals: sqrt85, 13 sqrt2, 5 sqrt13. The longest diagonal is 13 sqrt2 and shortest diagonal is sqrt85.

Then, we move on to let the sides of the cuboid be a,b and c. Since the eraser is in the form of a cuboid, the angle between any two sides of the eraser will be 90 degrees. Thus, we can use pythagoras theorem to solve this problem.

a^2 + b^2 = (13 sqrt2)^2 = 338 a^2 + c^2 = (5 sqrt 13)^2 = 325 b^2 + c^2 = (sqrt 85)^2 = 85

Next,add it all up! 2a^2 + 2b^2 + 2c^2 = 748 --> a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = 374... Afterwards, find out the individual values of a, b and c. For example, c^2 = 374 - 338 = 36. Therefore c = 6. By doing so, you should get a=17, b=7, c=6. Then multiply them to get the volume of the cuboid: 17X7X6 = 714.

Done! Simple! Please help me by upvoting my solution if it helped you in understanding how to solve this! :)

Let the edges of the eraser have lengths a , b , a, b, and c c .

By Pythagoras' Theorem the following equations can be written and solved simultaneously:

(1) a 2 + b 2 = ( 85 ) 2 = 85 \text{(1)}\ \ a^2+b^2=(\sqrt{85})^2=85

(2) b 2 + c 2 = ( 13 2 ) 2 = 338 \text{(2)}\ \ b^2+c^2=(13\sqrt{2})^2=338

(3) a 2 + c 2 = ( 5 13 ) 2 = 325 \text{(3)}\ \ a^2+c^2=(5\sqrt{13})^2=325

Rearrange (1) \text{(1)} to get: a 2 = 85 b 2 a^2 =85-b^2\ and substitute into (3) \text{(3)} to get:

a 2 + c 2 = 85 b 2 + c 2 = 325 c 2 = 325 + b 2 85 = b 2 + 240 a^2 + c^2 = 85-b^2+c^2=325\ \Rightarrow c^2=325+b^2-85=b^2+240

Substitute this expression for c 2 c^2 into equation (2) \text{(2)} to get:

b 2 + c 2 = b 2 + b 2 + 240 = 338 2 b 2 = 338 240 = 98 b 2 = 49 b = 7 b^2 + c^2 = b^2 +b^2+240=338\Rightarrow 2b^2=338-240=98\Leftrightarrow b^2=49\Leftrightarrow b=7

Substitute this value for b b into (1) \text{(1)} :

a 2 + 7 2 = 85 a 2 = 85 49 = 36 a = 6 a^2+7^2=85 \Leftrightarrow a^2=85-49=36 \Leftrightarrow a=6

Substitute b = 7 b=7 into (2) \text{(2)} to get:

7 2 + c 2 = 338 c 2 = 338 49 = 289 c = 17 7^2+c^2=338 \Leftrightarrow c^2=338-49=289 \Leftrightarrow c=17

To calculate the volume of the eraser, multiple all the lengths together a × b × c = 6 × 7 × 17 = 714 a\times b\times c = 6\times 7\times 17=\boxed{714}

Budi Utomo
Dec 29, 2013

Assumt that sides of it cuboid is p, q, r. So, (p^2+q^2)^(1/2) = 85^(1/2) ; (p^2+r^2)^(1/2) = 338^(1/2) ; and (r^2+q^2)^(1/2) = 325^(1/2) ----> Then, we must think that (2p^2+2q^2 + 2r^2)^(1/2) = (85+338+325)^(1/2) ---> (p^2+q^2 + r^2)^(1/2) = (748/2)^(1/2) ---> (p^2+q^2+r^2)^(1/2) = 374^(1/2)----> p^2+q^2+r^2 = 374 ---> Next, (p^2+q^2+r^2)-(p^2+q^2) = 374 - 85 ---> r^2 = 289 --> r=17, q=6 , p = 7. Thus, Volume this cuboid(Ian's Eraser) is 6x7x17 = 714. Answer : 714

Azizul Islam
Dec 28, 2013

if X,Y,Z be the dimensions of the eraser, where X>Y>Z. given that,

Y^2+Z^2=85

X^2+Z^2=325

X^2+Y^2=338

X^2+Y^2+Z^2=374

X=17, Y=7, Z=6, so XYZ=714

Shruti Chitrakar
Dec 28, 2013

Using Pythagoras Theorem we can find the length, width and height of the cuboid and hence the volume. :)

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