Identical Charges are corrected

Four identical particles A , B , C A, B, C and D D each of massn m m and charge q q are connected by insulating light inextensible threads of equal length l l make a tetrahedron as shown in the figure.

The thread connecting particles A A and B B is cut.
Find maximum speed acquired by every particle in subsequent motion.

And then add up that alll maximum speeds for the final answer Final Answer comes in the form of α q 2 π ϵ 0 m l \alpha \sqrt{\frac{q^{2}}{π \epsilon_{0} ml}}
Type α = ? \alpha=?

Thanks to Mark sir for correcting the problem.


The answer is 0.946.

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1 solution

Mark Hennings
Sep 23, 2020

In the subsequent motion, the triangles A C D ACD and B C D BCD remain taut, and the triangles A C D ACD and B C D BCD move symmetrically, while the centre of mass of the system remains constant. Looking at the system from the side, we deduce that A , B , C , D A,B,C,D have position vectors (we write = 2 r \ell = 2r here, temporarily) relative to the centre of mass of the system (note that the apparent length of B C BC is the length r 3 r\sqrt{3} of the altitude of the triangle B C D BCD :

a = ( 3 r sin θ 0 1 2 3 r cos θ ) b = ( 3 r sin θ 0 1 2 3 r cos θ ) c = ( 0 r 1 2 3 r cos θ ) d = ( 0 r 1 2 3 r cos θ ) \mathbf{a} \; = \; \left(\begin{array}{c} -\sqrt{3}r\sin\theta \\ 0 \\ \frac12\sqrt{3}r\cos\theta \end{array}\right) \hspace{0.7cm} \mathbf{b} \; = \; \left(\begin{array}{c} \sqrt{3}r\sin\theta \\ 0 \\ \frac12\sqrt{3}r\cos\theta \end{array}\right) \hspace{0.7cm} \mathbf{c} \; = \; \left(\begin{array}{c} 0 \\r \\ -\frac12\sqrt{3}r\cos\theta \end{array}\right) \hspace{0.7cm} \mathbf{d} \; = \; \left(\begin{array}{c} 0 \\ - r \\ -\frac12\sqrt{3}r\cos\theta \end{array}\right) Thus a ˙ = ( 3 r cos θ 0 1 2 3 r sin θ ) θ ˙ b ˙ = ( 3 r cos θ 0 1 2 3 r sin θ ) θ ˙ c ˙ = ( 0 0 1 2 3 r sin θ ) θ ˙ d ˙ = ( 0 0 1 2 3 r sin θ ) θ ˙ \dot{\mathbf{a}} \; = \; \left(\begin{array}{c} -\sqrt{3}r\cos\theta \\ 0 \\ -\frac12\sqrt{3}r\sin\theta \end{array}\right)\dot{\theta} \hspace{0.6cm} \dot{\mathbf{b}} \; = \; \left(\begin{array}{c} \sqrt{3}r\cos\theta \\ 0 \\ -\frac12\sqrt{3}r\sin\theta \end{array}\right)\dot{\theta} \hspace{0.6cm} \dot{\mathbf{c}} \; = \; \left(\begin{array}{c} 0 \\0 \\ \frac12\sqrt{3}r\sin\theta \end{array}\right)\dot{\theta} \hspace{0.6cm} \dot{\mathbf{d}} \; = \; \left(\begin{array}{c} 0 \\ 0 \\ \frac12\sqrt{3}r\sin\theta \end{array}\right)\dot{\theta} and so a ˙ 2 = b ˙ 2 = 3 4 r 2 ( sin 2 θ + 4 cos 2 θ ) θ ˙ 2 c ˙ 2 = d ˙ 2 = 3 4 r 2 sin 2 θ θ ˙ 2 |\dot{\mathbf{a}}|^2 \; = \; |\dot{\mathbf{b}}|^2 \; = \; \tfrac34r^2(\sin^2\theta + 4\cos^2\theta)\dot{\theta}^2 \hspace{2cm} |\dot{\mathbf{c}}|^2\; = \; |\dot{\mathbf{d}}|^2 \; = \; \tfrac34r^2\sin^2\theta \dot{\theta}^2 so the kinetic energy of the system is T = 1 2 m ( a ˙ 2 + b ˙ 2 + c ˙ 2 + d ˙ 2 ) = m ( a ˙ 2 + c ˙ 2 ) = 3 4 m r 2 ( 2 sin 2 θ + 4 cos 2 θ ) θ ˙ 2 = 3 2 m r 2 ( 1 + cos 2 θ ) θ ˙ 2 T \; = \; \tfrac12m\left(|\dot{\mathbf{a}}|^2 + |\dot{\mathbf{b}}|^2 + |\dot{\mathbf{c}}|^2 + |\dot{\mathbf{d}}|^2\right) \; = \; m\left(|\dot{\mathbf{a}}|^2 + |\dot{\mathbf{c}}|^2\right) \; = \; \tfrac34mr^2(2\sin^2\theta + 4\cos^2\theta)\dot{\theta}^2 \; = \; \tfrac32mr^2(1 + \cos^2\theta)\dot{\theta}^2 Since most of the particles are held in relative place by the remaining strings, the only electrostatic bond that does work is the bond between A A and B B , we we have a potential energy V = q 2 4 π ε 0 1 A B = q 2 4 π ε 0 1 2 r 3 sin θ V \; = \; \frac{q^2}{4\pi \varepsilon_0} \frac{1}{AB} \; = \; \frac{q^2}{4\pi \varepsilon_0} \frac{1}{2r\sqrt{3}\sin\theta} so conservation of energy tells us that 3 2 m r 2 ( 1 + cos 2 θ ) θ ˙ 2 + q 2 4 π ε 0 1 2 r 3 sin θ = q 2 4 π ε 0 1 2 r 3 sin θ 0 \tfrac32mr^2(1 + \cos^2\theta)\dot{\theta}^2 + \frac{q^2}{4\pi \varepsilon_0} \frac{1}{2r\sqrt{3}\sin\theta} \; = \; \frac{q^2}{4\pi \varepsilon_0} \frac{1}{2r\sqrt{3}\sin\theta_0} where θ 0 = sin 1 1 3 \theta_0 = \sin^{-1}\tfrac{1}{\sqrt{3}} is the initial angle of the system, so r 2 θ ˙ 2 = q 2 12 π ε 0 m r 3 3 csc θ 1 + cos 2 θ r^2\dot{\theta}^2 \; = \; \frac{q^2}{12\pi \varepsilon_0 mr\sqrt{3}} \frac{\sqrt{3}-\csc\theta}{1 + \cos^2\theta} Thus the system oscillates in the range θ 0 θ π θ 0 \theta_0 \le \theta \le \pi - \theta_0 , and we have a ˙ 2 = b ˙ 2 = q 2 16 π ε 0 m r 3 ( 3 csc θ ) ( 1 + 3 cos 2 θ ) 1 + cos 2 θ = q 2 π ε 0 m ( 3 csc θ ) ( 1 + 3 cos 2 θ ) 8 3 ( 1 + cos 2 θ ) c ˙ 2 = d ˙ 2 = q 2 16 π ε 0 m r 3 ( 3 csc θ ) sin 2 θ 1 + cos 2 θ = q 2 π ε 0 m ( 3 csc θ ) sin 2 θ 8 3 ( 1 + cos 2 θ ) \begin{aligned} |\dot{\mathbf{a}}|^2 \; = \; |\dot{\mathbf{b}}|^2 & = \; \frac{q^2}{16 \pi \varepsilon_0 mr\sqrt{3}} \frac{(\sqrt{3} - \csc\theta)(1 + 3\cos^2\theta)}{1 + \cos^2\theta} \; = \; \frac{q^2}{\pi \varepsilon_0 m \ell} \frac{(\sqrt{3} - \csc\theta)(1 + 3\cos^2\theta)}{8\sqrt{3}(1 + \cos^2\theta)} \\ |\dot{\mathbf{c}}|^2 \; = \; |\dot{\mathbf{d}}|^2 & = \; \frac{q^2}{16 \pi \varepsilon_0 mr\sqrt{3}} \frac{(\sqrt{3} - \csc\theta)\sin^2\theta}{1 + \cos^2\theta} \; = \; \frac{q^2}{\pi \varepsilon_0 m \ell} \frac{(\sqrt{3} - \csc\theta)\sin^2\theta}{8\sqrt{3}(1 + \cos^2\theta)} \end{aligned} If ξ \xi is the maximum of ( 3 csc θ ) ( 1 + 3 cos 2 θ ) 8 3 ( 1 + cos 2 θ ) \frac{(\sqrt{3} - \csc\theta)(1 + 3\cos^2\theta)}{8\sqrt{3}(1 + \cos^2\theta)} over the range θ 0 θ π θ 0 \theta_0 \le \theta \le \pi - \theta_0 , then we see that the maximum speeds of A A and B B are V A = V B = q 2 π ε 0 m ξ V_A \; = \; V_B \; = \; \sqrt{\frac{q^2}{\pi \varepsilon_0 m\ell}} \sqrt{\xi} while the maximum speeds of C C and D D are V C = V D = q 2 π ε 0 m 3 1 8 3 V_C \; = \; V_D \; = \; \sqrt{\frac{q^2}{\pi \varepsilon_0 m\ell}} \sqrt{\frac{\sqrt{3}-1}{8\sqrt{3}}} , achieved when θ = 9 0 \theta = 90^\circ , and hence α = 2 ξ + 2 3 1 8 3 \alpha \; = \; 2\sqrt{\xi} + 2\sqrt{\frac{\sqrt{3}-1}{8\sqrt{3}}} Numerical methods tell us that ξ = 0.0591279 \xi = 0.0591279 (not achieved when θ = 9 0 \theta = 90^\circ , but when θ = 64.561 5 \theta = 64.5615^\circ and 18 0 64.561 5 180^\circ - 64.5615^\circ - the plot of ( 3 csc θ ) ( 1 + 3 cos 2 θ ) 8 3 ( 1 + cos 2 θ ) \frac{(\sqrt{3} - \csc\theta)(1 + 3\cos^2\theta)}{8\sqrt{3}(1 + \cos^2\theta)} on the right measures the angle in radians, though), and hence α = 0.946025 \alpha = \boxed{0.946025} . Note that the maximum speeds of A A and B B are not attained when θ = 9 0 \theta = 90^\circ , although the book from which this problem came claimed that it did.

@Mark Hennings Thanks for the solution.

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 3 weeks ago

@Mark Hennings Sir can you please help me in this problem, whenever you will be free.
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Talulah Riley - 8 months, 3 weeks ago

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A normal reaction and a friction force act on the mass, and their equal and opposite reactions act on the block. We need to assume that the block is uniform, and that its centre of mass is at the centroid of the triangle. The normal reaction force on the wedge gives a clockwise moment about the bottom right corner of the wedge, while the friction force and the weight give anticlockwise moments about the bottom right corner of the wedge. In order not to topple, the overall moment should be anticlockwise. Now you finish off...

Mark Hennings - 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Hi Lil Doug. I am Pradeep. Your thoughts are exactly similar to me. Could you tell me your JEE MAINS rank?

Pradeep Tripathi - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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@dishantha praddep I am currently in class 12 studying. I will give Jee Mains in 2021.

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

Can you tell what is the ans?

raj abhinav - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

@Mark Hennings Sir can you please help me in this problem, whenever you will be free.
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Talulah Riley - 8 months, 3 weeks ago

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@Mark Hennings this above one is solved right now

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 3 weeks ago

See, the initial tension on thread A is 4mg/3 and final tension is 3mg.

Pradeep Tripathi - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Pradeep Tripathi I solved it.
Solve the problem below one. And what is your rank.?

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Talulah Riley Rank is 2932.

Pradeep Tripathi - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Pradeep Tripathi @Pradeep Tripathi can you tell marks distribution?
By the way. My chemistry subject is extremely weak.

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Talulah Riley Dude, rank is all about percentile. In Jan, I got 99.7496367 and in Sept. 99.6318234

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@Pradeep Tripathi @Pradeep Tripathi Can you predict your marks?

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@Talulah Riley 216 and 238 in 300. Why don't you tell about yourself?

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@Pradeep Tripathi @Pradeep Tripathi what do you want to know about me?

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@Talulah Riley Nothing , just a kind of time pass! That's my nature.

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@Pradeep Tripathi @Pradeep Tripathi How do you studied chemistry ? I haven't studied chemistry of class 11 till now.

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Talulah Riley Maintain your rhythm. Its your fault that you didn't studied chemistry. You have to think about this ,yourself. I can't help you in it.

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@Pradeep Tripathi @Pradeep Tripathi I haven't studied organic only.
Inorganic and physical chemistry are at a good level.
I am planning to give exams without organic, I can easily secure full marks in Phy and math.

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Talulah Riley Then study organic at this instant . Don't waste your time. Stop disturbing me, please.

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@Pradeep Tripathi @Pradeep Tripathi I will not study organic, I will exam without that only. And I am not disturbing you, first you started texting message me.

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

@Mark Hennings sir in this one also ,it feels me that I am disturbing you. Sorry,you can upload solution whenever you will be free

And one more thing,if you don't mind,you can post solution using pen and page also,if it takes time to type with Latex.

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 3 weeks ago

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The total frictional force around the disc of contact exerts a moment μ M g r \mu Mgr about the vertical axis of the sphere, where M M is the mass of the sphere and r r is the radius of the hole. Thus the rotational equation of motion of the sphere is 2 5 M R 2 ω ˙ = μ M G r \tfrac25MR^2 \dot{\omega} = -\mu MGr so that ω ˙ = 5 μ g r 2 R 2 \dot{\omega} \; =\; -\frac{5 \mu gr}{2R^2} for 0 < r < R 0 < r < R . Thus the time to come to rest from initial angular speed ω 0 \omega_0 is T = 2 ω 0 R 2 5 μ g r r 1 T \; =\; \frac{2\omega_0R^2}{5\mu g r} \; \propto r^{-1} Since T = 9 T=9 seconds when r = 8 r=8 cm, we deduce that T = 12 T=\boxed{12} seconds when r = 6 r=6 cm.

Mark Hennings - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Mark Hennings Thank you so much. By the way, it was not hard. :)

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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