I.E Irodov Exercise 4.54

As shown in the figure, the radius of the pulley is R R and its moment of inertia relative to the frictionless rotation axis is I I . The mass of the body is m m and the spring stiffness is k k . The mass of the thread and the spring is negligible, the thread does not slide over the pulley.

The angular frequency of small oscillation of the arrangement is given by

α k m + I R 2 \alpha \sqrt{\frac{k}{m+\frac{I}{R^{2}}}}

Find α \alpha .


The answer is 1.

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1 solution

Steven Chase
Sep 25, 2020

I will alter the nomenclature a bit. Let k k be the spring constant, and let x x be the spring displacement from equilibrium. The system Lagrangian has two kinetic energy terms (for the mass and the pulley), and two potential energy terms (for the mass and the spring).

L = 1 2 m x ˙ 2 + 1 2 I ( x ˙ R ) 2 + m g x 1 2 k x 2 = 1 2 ( m + I R 2 ) x ˙ 2 + m g x 1 2 k x 2 L = \frac{1}{2} m \dot{x}^2 + \frac{1}{2} I \Big( \frac{\dot{x}}{R} \Big)^2 + m g x - \frac{1}{2} k x^2 \\ = \frac{1}{2} \Big( m + \frac{I}{R^2} \Big) \dot{x}^2 + m g x - \frac{1}{2} k x^2

Equation of motion:

d d t L x ˙ = L x \frac{d}{dt} \frac{\partial{L}}{\partial{\dot{x}}} = \frac{\partial{L}}{\partial{x}}

Evaluating results in:

( m + I R 2 ) x ¨ = k x + m g \Big( m + \frac{I}{R^2} \Big) \ddot{x} = - kx + m g

The oscillation comes from the homogeneous equation, which is:

x ¨ = k m + I R 2 x \ddot{x} = - \frac{k}{m + \frac{I}{R^2}} x

This corresponds to simple harmonic motion with the following angular frequency. Note that this applies to all oscillations; not just small ones.

ω = k m + I R 2 \omega = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m + \frac{I}{R^2}}}

I agree with you; it's much more simple to think of using a Lagrangian.

Krishna Karthik - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Krishna Karthik I don't think in this problem, if you use Newton laws answer will come in 5-6 steps only

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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I agree. I myself solved it through Newton's laws by equating the torque force to tension and so on, but it is almost always harder to think about. In a test, I would use Newton's laws.

It's almost like you can just see the answer inside the Lagrangian itself. Newton's laws would require some more manual algebra.

However in a scenario where I have to be absolutely sure, I would use E-L.

Krishna Karthik - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Krishna Karthik Very good. Fuck off

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Talulah Riley XD. No u. Lol. Newton simppppppp... go suck Newton's c🤯ck

Krishna Karthik - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Krishna Karthik @Krishna Karthik Bro solve new problem.

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Talulah Riley Yeah; coming right up mate.

Krishna Karthik - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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