Individual Fractional Part of Roots!?

Algebra Level 2

x 3 x 2 5 x + 1 = 0 x^3-x^2-5x+1=0

If the roots of the above equation are α \alpha , β \beta , and γ \gamma , find the value of { α } + { β } + { γ } , \{\alpha\}+\{\beta\}+\{\gamma\}, where { } \{ \cdot \} denotes the fractional part function .

2 -2 1 - 1 0 0 1 1 2 2

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3 solutions

Steven Yuan
Mar 11, 2018

Since { x } = x x , \{x\} = x - \lfloor x \rfloor, we have

{ α } + { β } + { γ } = ( α + β + γ ) ( α + β + γ ) . \{\alpha\} + \{\beta\} + \{\gamma\} = (\alpha + \beta + \gamma) - (\lfloor \alpha \rfloor + \lfloor \beta \rfloor + \lfloor \gamma \rfloor).

We know from Vieta's that α + β + γ = 1 , \alpha + \beta + \gamma = 1, so we focus on α + β + γ . \lfloor \alpha \rfloor + \lfloor \beta \rfloor + \lfloor \gamma \rfloor. Let f ( x ) = x 3 x 2 5 x + 1. f(x) = x^3 - x^2 - 5x + 1. We want to find the consecutive integer intervals that each root of f f lies in. Thus, we calculate f ( x ) f(x) at various integer values of x , x, which gives us

f ( 2 ) = 1 f ( 1 ) = 4 f ( 0 ) = 1 f ( 1 ) = 4 f ( 2 ) = 5 f ( 3 ) = 4. \begin{aligned} f(-2) &= -1 \\ f(-1) &= 4 \\ f(0) &= 1 \\ f(1) &= -4 \\ f(2) &= -5 \\ f(3) &= 4. \end{aligned}

From this, we can deduce that there is a root in each of the the intervals ( 2 , 1 ) , ( 0 , 1 ) , (-2, -1), (0, 1), and ( 2 , 3 ) . (2, 3). This covers all three possible real roots of the polynomial, so the floor of each is just the lower bound on each interval. This gives us α + β + γ = 2 + 0 + 2 = 0 , \lfloor \alpha \rfloor + \lfloor \beta \rfloor + \lfloor \gamma \rfloor = -2 + 0 + 2 = 0, and { α } + { β } + { γ } = 1 0 = 1 . \{\alpha\} + \{\beta\} + \{\gamma\} = 1 - 0 = \boxed{1}.

How did you figure out that α + β + γ = 1?

Hamana Hamana - 3 years, 2 months ago

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By Vieta's formula , the sum of the roots of a polynomial of degree n n is the opposite of the coefficient on the x n 1 x^{n - 1} term.

Steven Yuan - 3 years, 2 months ago

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No it is not. The sum of the roots of a polynomial of degree n n is i = 1 n r i = a n 1 a n , \sum_{i=1}^n r_i = -\frac{a_{n-1}}{a_n}, where r 1 , r 2 , , r n r_1,r_2,\dots,r_n are its complex roots.

Francis Dave Cabanting - 3 years, 2 months ago

from Vieta's. ax^3+bx^2+cx+d=0; a(x-x1)(x-x2)(x-x3)=0; ax^3-a(x1+x2+x3)x^2+a(x1x2+x2x3+x3x1)-ax1x2x3=0; then,we can know x1+x2+x3=-b/a

laoren55 陈情 - 3 years, 2 months ago

I get zero.

Solve[x^3 - x^2 - 5 x + 1 == 0, x] // N

{-1.90321 + 1.11022 10^-16i}, {0.193937 - 2.22045 10^-16i}, {2.70928 - 1.4803*10^-16i}}

X=FractionalPart[Re[-1.9032119259115532 +1.1102230246251565 *^-16 i]]

-0.903212

Y=FractionalPart[Re[0.19393656647463042 -2.220446049250313 *^-16i]]

0.193937

Z=FractionalPart[Re[2.7092753594369228 - 1.4802973661668753 *^-16i]]

0.709275

X+Y+Z=0

Evidently, the theorem states:

(A+B+C) - (X+Y+Z) where,

A=Re[-1.9032119259115532 +1.1102230246251565 *^-16i]

-1.90321

B=Re[0.19393656647463042 -2.220446049250313 *^-16i]

0.193937

C=Re[2.7092753594369228 - 1.4802973661668753 *^-16i]

2.70928

So

(A+B+T)-(X+Y+Z) = 1.

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 2 months ago

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The fractional part of a real number is always in the range [ 0 , 1 ) . [0, 1). Therefore, the value of X X you found is incorrect; in fact, it should be 1 + X 0.09679 1 + X \approx 0.09679 instead, which should give the correct value of X + Y + Z . X + Y + Z.

Steven Yuan - 3 years, 2 months ago

I recommend you learn Latex.

Francis Dave Cabanting - 3 years, 2 months ago

This problem became Level 1??

Sahil Silare - 3 years, 2 months ago

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Yeah, I notice that with the Problems of the Week, the problem levels tends to decrease dramatically due to the number of people viewing and solving the questions. They typically go back up when the next batch of problems comes out.

Steven Yuan - 3 years, 2 months ago

What's a vietta?

Hans Zuidervaart - 3 years, 1 month ago

What kind of deduction is this?

Hans Zuidervaart - 3 years, 1 month ago

Because there are different definitions for "the fractional part," the problem is faulty.

Linda Slovik - 2 years, 6 months ago
Arjen Vreugdenhil
Mar 18, 2018

Before the problem was edited

Since α + β + γ = 1 \alpha + \beta + \gamma = 1 by Vieta's Theorem, { α } + { β } + { γ } \{\alpha\} + \{\beta\} + \{\gamma\} must be an integer. Given the five choices, the only reasonable answer is 1.

Thanx sir, its a great and concise answer, not too many steps to go. xD. Sir can u plz explain the Vieta's theorem.

MAINAK CHAUDHURI - 3 years, 2 months ago

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Read this wiki .

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 2 months ago

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Thank u sir

MAINAK CHAUDHURI - 3 years, 2 months ago

This is not texting. Spell out your words.

Linda Slovik - 2 years, 6 months ago

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Be nice, Linda. Mainak accomplished what he set out to do: ask me a question. I understood him. Communication accomplished. Pretty amazing, considering that English is not my native language, and most likely not Mainak's either. You try writing in your second or third language.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@Arjen Vreugdenhil No, it was not an issue for Mainak. It was laziness for that user just not bothering to spell out the words. Clear?

Linda Slovik - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@Linda Slovik Laziness or efficiency?

Is your post pettiness or accuracy?

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 2 years, 6 months ago

This is not a grammar site. Don't be a grammar police. (Even my english is not that strong) :)... So if we can explain others and express ourselves properly .. then its okay!

Md Zuhair - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@Md Zuhair The remark was not about grammar. Can you tell the difference!?

Linda Slovik - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@Linda Slovik Neither a spelling site :P

Md Zuhair - 2 years, 6 months ago

I see you managed to spell out your other words in English. Don't be lazy. Just continue spelling out all the rest of your words.

Linda Slovik - 2 years, 6 months ago

This solution is not totally correct, because you have not considered negative solutions and the fact that {a} is always nonnegative, even if a<0. Consider this example:

1,2+1,5-1,7=1; 0,2+0,5+0,7=1,4

Francesco Iacca - 3 years, 2 months ago

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No, because with the definition { x } = x x \{x\} = x - \lfloor x \rfloor , { 1.7 } = ( 1.7 ) 2 = 0.3 \{-1.7\} = (-1.7) - 2 = 0.3 . Thus, { α } + { β } + { γ } = ( α + β + γ ) ( α + β + γ ) = 1 integer = integer . \{\alpha\} + \{\beta\} + \{\gamma\} = (\alpha + \beta + \gamma) - (\lfloor \alpha \rfloor + \lfloor \beta \rfloor + \lfloor \gamma \rfloor) = 1 - \text{integer} = \text{integer}.

(Actually, there are conflicting definitions: see here . Perhaps the problem should be clarified.)

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 2 months ago

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Yes, you're right. Sorry, I've mistaken with the fractional part of negative numbers. Thanks for the explanation!

Francesco Iacca - 3 years, 2 months ago

The problem has been edited now so that all the answer choices are all integers, so this solution isn't valid anymore.

Steven Yuan - 3 years, 2 months ago

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True that.

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 2 months ago
Dan Gemm
Mar 19, 2018

Substituting 1 for each variable was the closest to = 0. I guessed correctly! Hooray No clue how to arrive at the correct answer. Even after reading the correct method 🤣

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