Inductor and Capacitor

Two capacitors of capacitance C C and 3 C 3C are charged to potential difference V 0 V_0 and 2 V 0 2V_0 respectively and connected to an inductor of inductance L L as shown in the figure. Initially the current in the inductor is zero.Now the switch S S is closed. The maximum current in the inductor comes in the form of a V 0 b c C L \frac{a V_0}{b}\sqrt{\frac{c C}{L}} Potential difference across capacitor of capacitance C C when the current in the circuit is maximum comes in the form of d V 0 e \frac{d V_0}{e} Potential difference across capacitor of capacitance 3 C 3C when the current in the circuit is maximum comes in the form of f V 0 g \frac{f V_0}{g}
Type your answer as a + b + c + d + e + f + g = ? a+b+c+d+e+f+g=?
Details and Assumptions
1) The wire used in the circuit have zero resistance.
2) a , b , c , d , e , f , g a,b,c,d,e,f,g are positive integers.
3) a , b a,b are co-prime integers, d , e d, e are co-prime integers and f , g f, g are also co-prime integers.

The problem is not original.


The answer is 26.

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2 solutions

Guilherme Niedu
Jun 1, 2020

Calling the left capacitor as A A and the right one as B B :

( i ) i = C d v A d t , v A ( 0 ) = V 0 \large \displaystyle \color{#D61F06} (i) \ \color{#333333} i = C \frac{dv_A}{dt}, v_A(0) = V_0

( i i ) i = 3 C d v B d t , v B ( 0 ) = 2 V 0 \large \displaystyle \color{#D61F06} (ii) \ \color{#333333} i = 3C \frac{dv_B}{dt}, v_B(0) = 2V_0

( i i i ) L d i d t = v L , i ( 0 ) = 0 \large \displaystyle \color{#D61F06} (iii) \ \color{#333333} L \frac{di}{dt} = v_L, i(0) = 0

Applying Laplace transform :

( i ) I ( s ) = C ( s V A ( s ) V 0 ) \large \displaystyle \color{#D61F06} (i) \ \color{#333333} I(s) = C(sV_A(s) - V_0)

( i i ) I ( s ) = 3 C ( s V B ( s ) 2 V 0 ) \large \displaystyle \color{#D61F06} (ii) \ \color{#333333} I(s) = 3C(sV_B(s) - 2V_0)

( i i i ) L s I ( s ) = V L ( s ) \large \displaystyle \color{#D61F06} (iii) \ \color{#333333} LsI(s) = V_L(s)

Multiplying ( i ) (i) by 3 3 , ( i i i ) (iii) by 3 C s 3Cs and rearranging:

( i ) 3 I ( s ) = 3 C s V A ( s ) 3 C V 0 \large \displaystyle \color{#D61F06} (i) \ \color{#333333} 3I(s) = 3CsV_A(s) - 3CV_0

( i i ) I ( s ) = 3 C s V B ( s ) 6 C V 0 \large \displaystyle \color{#D61F06} (ii) \ \color{#333333} I(s) = 3CsV_B(s) - 6CV_0

( i i i ) 3 L C s 2 I ( s ) = 3 C s V L ( s ) \large \displaystyle \color{#D61F06} (iii) \ \color{#333333} 3LCs^2I(s) = 3CsV_L(s)

Adding up the three equations, and having in mind that V A ( s ) + V B ( s ) + V L ( s ) = 0 V_A(s) + V_B(s) + V_L(s) = 0 , since we have a closed loop:

( 3 L C s 2 + 4 ) I ( s ) = 9 C V 0 \large \displaystyle (3LCs^2+4)I(s) = -9CV_0

I ( s ) = 9 C V 0 3 L C s 2 + 4 \large \displaystyle I(s) = -\frac{9CV_0}{3LCs^2+4}

I ( s ) = V 0 3 2 3 C L 2 3 L C s 2 + 4 3 L C \large \displaystyle I(s) = -V_0 \frac32 \sqrt{\frac{3C}{L}} \frac{ \frac{2}{\sqrt{3LC}} }{s^2+\frac{4}{3LC}}

i ( t ) = V 0 3 2 3 C L sin ( 2 3 L C t ) \large \displaystyle \color{#20A900} \boxed{ i(t) = -V_0 \frac32 \sqrt{\frac{3C}{L}} \sin \left ( \frac{2}{\sqrt{3LC}} t \right ) }

So, in magnitude:

I m a x = V 0 3 2 3 C L a = 3 , b = 2 , c = 3 \large \displaystyle \color{#3D99F6} I_{max} = V_0 \frac32 \sqrt{\frac{3C}{L}} \rightarrow \boxed{ \large \displaystyle a = 3, b = 2, c = 3 }

For capacitor A A , from ( i ) (i) :

V A ( s ) = I ( s ) + C V 0 C s \large \displaystyle V_A(s) = \frac{I(s) + CV_0}{Cs}

V A ( s ) = 9 V 0 s ( 3 L C s 2 + 4 ) + V 0 s \large \displaystyle V_A(s) = -\frac{9V_0}{s(3LCs^2+4)} + \frac{V_0}{s}

V A ( s ) = 9 V 0 4 ( 1 s s s 2 + 4 3 L C ) + V 0 s \large \displaystyle V_A(s) = -\frac{9V_0}{4} \left ( \frac{1}{s} - \frac{s}{s^2+\frac{4}{3LC}} \right ) + \frac{V_0}{s}

V A ( s ) = 9 V 0 4 s s 2 + 4 3 L C 5 V 0 4 s \large \displaystyle V_A(s) = \frac{9V_0}{4} \cdot \frac{s}{s^2+\frac{4}{3LC}} - \frac{5V_0}{4s}

So:

v A ( t ) = 9 V 0 4 cos ( 2 3 L C t ) 5 V 0 4 \large \displaystyle v_A(t) = \frac{9V_0}{4}\cos \left ( \frac{2}{\sqrt{3LC}}t \right ) - \frac{5V_0}{4}

Notice that, as expected, the argument of the cos \cos in the voltage is the same of the sin \sin in the current. So, since we want the maximum current, the sin \sin in the current was 1 1 , so the cos \cos in the voltage will be 0 0 . So:

v A ( t @ I m a x ) = 5 V 0 4 = 5 V 0 4 d = 5 , e = 4 \color{#3D99F6} \large \displaystyle v_A(t@I_{max}) = \left | - \frac{5V_0}{4} \right | = \frac{5V_0}{4} \rightarrow \boxed{\large \displaystyle d = 5, e = 4}

Likewise for capacitor B B :

V B ( s ) = I ( s ) + 6 C V 0 3 C s \large \displaystyle V_B(s) = \frac{I(s) + 6CV_0}{3Cs}

V B ( s ) = 9 V 0 4 ( 1 s s s 2 + 4 3 L C ) + 2 V 0 s \large \displaystyle V_B(s) = -\frac{9V_0}{4} \left ( \frac{1}{s} - \frac{s}{s^2+\frac{4}{3LC}} \right ) + \frac{2V_0}{s}

V B ( s ) = 3 V 0 4 s s 2 + 4 3 L C 5 V 0 4 s \large \displaystyle V_B(s) = \frac{3V_0}{4} \cdot \frac{s}{s^2+\frac{4}{3LC}} - \frac{5V_0}{4s}

So:

v B ( t ) = 3 V 0 4 cos ( 2 3 L C t ) 5 V 0 4 \large \displaystyle v_B(t) = \frac{3V_0}{4}\cos \left ( \frac{2}{\sqrt{3LC}}t \right ) - \frac{5V_0}{4}

Likewise, since the cos \cos will be 0 0 :

v B ( t @ I m a x ) = 5 V 0 4 = 5 V 0 4 f = 5 , g = 4 \color{#3D99F6} \large \displaystyle v_B(t@I_{max}) = \left | - \frac{5V_0}{4} \right | = \frac{5V_0}{4} \rightarrow \boxed{\large \displaystyle f = 5, g = 4}

Thus:

a + b + c + d + e + f + g = 26 \color{#3D99F6} \boxed{\large \displaystyle a+b+c+d+e+f+g=26}

Mr @Neeraj Anand Badgujar , see if that Laplace solution is clear.

Guilherme Niedu - 1 year ago

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@Guilherme Niedu Sir very very thanks for your amazing solution. Recently I have a very less knowledge of laplace transformation. But I am learning and in 2-3 days I will tell you that is clear or not. BTW you are a very hardworking man.
Thanks.

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Thank you.

Guilherme Niedu - 1 year ago

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@Guilherme Niedu @Guilherme Niedu Sir please can you please help me in this problem . The question is related to complex numbers .
If m m is the minimum value of z + 2 z w |z|+|2z-w| and w = 1 |w|=1 .
Then find the value of 4 m 4m ? ?
Please can you me the solution?

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@Guilherme Niedu Sir can you post the solution of this problem through laplace.
Laplace seems me bit difficult.

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Karan Chatrath
May 23, 2020

Nice one.

Let the charge on the capacitor C 1 = C C_1=C be q 1 q_1 and that on C 2 = 3 C C_2 = 3C be q 2 q_2 . Let the instantaneous current be I I . As the capacitors start discharging, the circuit equations read:

q 1 C 1 + q 2 C 2 L I ˙ = 0 ( 1 ) \frac{q_1}{C_1} + \frac{q_2}{C_2} -L\dot{I}=0 \ \dots (1) I = q ˙ 1 = q ˙ 2 I = -\dot{q}_1 = -\dot{q}_2

Simplifying the equations leads to a differential equation for circuit current as such: I ¨ + 4 3 L C I = 0 \ddot{I} +\frac{4}{3LC}I = 0 I ( 0 ) = 0 I(0) = 0

From (1):

I ˙ ( 0 ) = 3 V o L \dot{I}(0) = \frac{3V_o}{L}

I = A cos ( 2 t 3 L C ) + B sin ( 2 t 3 L C ) \implies I = A \cos\left(\frac{2t}{\sqrt{3LC}}\right)+B \sin\left(\frac{2t}{\sqrt{3LC}}\right)

Plugging in initial conditions and solving for A A and B B leads to the solution:

I = 3 V o 3 C 2 L sin ( 2 t 3 L C ) \boxed{I = \frac{3V_o\sqrt{3C}}{2\sqrt{L}}\sin\left(\frac{2t}{\sqrt{3LC}}\right)}

Now:

q ˙ 1 = I \dot{q}_1 = -I q ˙ 2 = I \dot{q}_2 = -I

q 1 ( 0 ) = C V o ; q 2 ( 0 ) = 6 C V o q_1(0) = CV_o \ ; \ q_2(0)=6CV_o

Solving for the charges on the capacitor gives:

q 1 = 9 C V o 4 cos ( 2 t 3 L C ) 5 C V o 4 \boxed{q_1 = \frac{9CV_o}{4}\cos\left(\frac{2t}{\sqrt{3LC}}\right) - \frac{5CV_o}{4}} q 2 = 9 C V o 4 cos ( 2 t 3 L C ) + 15 C V o 4 \boxed{q_2 = \frac{9CV_o}{4}\cos\left(\frac{2t}{\sqrt{3LC}}\right) + \frac{15CV_o}{4}}

The current is maximum when:

sin ( 2 t 3 L C ) = 1 \sin\left(\frac{2t}{\sqrt{3LC}}\right)=1 I m a x = 3 V o 3 C 2 L \implies \boxed{I_{max} =\frac{3V_o\sqrt{3C}}{2\sqrt{L}}}

At the instant, the magnitude of potential difference across the capacitors are:

q 1 C = 5 V o 4 \boxed{\frac{q_1}{C} = \frac{5V_o}{4}} q 2 3 C = 5 V o 4 \boxed{\frac{q_2}{3C} = \frac{5V_o}{4}}

Therefore:

a = 3 a = 3 b = 2 b = 2 c = 3 c=3 d = 5 d = 5 e = 4 e = 4 f = 5 f = 5 g = 4 g = 4

The problem statement needs changes. See my expressions for potential difference and compare it with what you have typed. The potential difference is independent of capacitance.

Moreover, it is important to specify that a a and b b are positive and coprime integers, d d and e e are positive and coprime integers, f f and g g are positive and coprime integers and c c is a positive integer with no perfect squares as a factor. Please make said changes for clarity. If you do not specify this, there are infinitely many correct answers to the problem. Honestly, I got lucky to have got the correct answer in the first try.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year ago

@Karan Chatrath sir but I think,
Suppose you divide a by b you will get 1.5 which is not a integer,and same rest for all. so I think it would not create any problem. I think.

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You are missing my point. 3 / 2 = 1.5 3/2 = 1.5 and same holds true for 15 / 10 15/10 , for example. So by just saying that a a and b b are positive integers 15 15 and 10 10 would also be acceptable answers to the problem, which would give a very different result.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year ago

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@Karan Chatrath I agree with you. I have corrected the problem also. But I think 15 10 = 150 100 \frac{15}{10}=\frac{150}{100} , so we should always try to minimize it till coprime integers.

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@A Former Brilliant Member Precisely. You also need to modify the expressions for potential difference. See the result that I derived.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year ago

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@Karan Chatrath @Karan Chatrath Aap kya kehna chahte mujhe samajh nhi aaya. Ab to sab shayad shi lag raha???

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@A Former Brilliant Member You mentioned in the problem statement that the potential difference across the capacitor is of the form:

d C V o e \frac{dCV_o}{e}

However, if you do a dimensional analysis of that expression, you will obtain the dimensions of charge. That is obviously incorrect. The correct statement should be

the potential difference across the capacitor is of the form:

d V o e \frac{dV_o}{e}

The form of the expression is independent of capacitance.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year ago

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@Karan Chatrath Can you please help me in this integration 0 π 2 1 + α cos 2 θ d θ \Large\int_{0}^{\frac{π}{2}} \sqrt{1+\alpha \cos^{2}\theta}d\theta α \alpha is constant
Thanks in advance

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I don't think this function has an elementary anti-derivative. You could approximate the integrand using Taylor/Maclaurin Series to get an approximate solution.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year ago

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@Karan Chatrath now I have changed the question. Now is it possible??

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@A Former Brilliant Member The integral represents the arc length of the curve y = α sin x y = \sqrt{\alpha} \ \sin{x} from x = 0 x = 0 to x = π / 2 x = \pi/2 . While I can geometrically interpret it, I do not know how to approach it to obtain an exact solution. This integral is a type of elliptic integral.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year ago

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@Karan Chatrath @Karan Chatrath yes you are correct I was generalising the result of moment of inertia of eliipse for major and minor axis as a a and b b and I will put a = b a=b and I will get the moment of inertia of circle. BTW will you try???

@Karan Chatrath sir I have written a note in calculus section but when I was mentioning your name , you name's link was not generating???

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