Two capacitors of capacitance
C
and
3
C
are charged to potential difference
V
0
and
2
V
0
respectively and connected to an inductor of inductance
L
as shown in the figure. Initially the current in the inductor is zero.Now the switch
S
is closed.
The maximum current in the inductor comes in the form of
b
a
V
0
L
c
C
Potential difference across capacitor of capacitance
C
when the current in the circuit is maximum comes in the form of
e
d
V
0
Potential difference across capacitor of capacitance
3
C
when the current in the circuit is maximum comes in the form of
g
f
V
0
Type your answer as
a
+
b
+
c
+
d
+
e
+
f
+
g
=
?
Details and Assumptions
1)
The wire used in the circuit have zero resistance.
2)
a
,
b
,
c
,
d
,
e
,
f
,
g
are positive integers.
3)
a
,
b
are co-prime integers,
d
,
e
are co-prime integers and
f
,
g
are also co-prime integers.
The problem is not original.
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Mr @Neeraj Anand Badgujar , see if that Laplace solution is clear.
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@Guilherme Niedu
Sir very very thanks for your amazing solution. Recently I have a very less knowledge of laplace transformation. But I am learning and in 2-3 days I will tell you that is clear or not. BTW you are a very hardworking man.
Thanks.
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Thank you.
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@Guilherme Niedu
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@Guilherme Niedu Sir please can you please help me in this problem . The question is related to complex numbers .
If
m
is the minimum value of
∣
z
∣
+
∣
2
z
−
w
∣
and
∣
w
∣
=
1
.
Then find the value of
4
m
?
Please can you me the solution?
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@A Former Brilliant Member – @Neeraj Anand Badgujar can you post it?
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@Guilherme Niedu – @Guilherme Niedu sir posted.
@Guilherme Niedu
Sir can you post the solution of this
problem
through laplace.
Laplace seems me bit difficult.
Nice one.
Let the charge on the capacitor C 1 = C be q 1 and that on C 2 = 3 C be q 2 . Let the instantaneous current be I . As the capacitors start discharging, the circuit equations read:
C 1 q 1 + C 2 q 2 − L I ˙ = 0 … ( 1 ) I = − q ˙ 1 = − q ˙ 2
Simplifying the equations leads to a differential equation for circuit current as such: I ¨ + 3 L C 4 I = 0 I ( 0 ) = 0
From (1):
I ˙ ( 0 ) = L 3 V o
⟹ I = A cos ( 3 L C 2 t ) + B sin ( 3 L C 2 t )
Plugging in initial conditions and solving for A and B leads to the solution:
I = 2 L 3 V o 3 C sin ( 3 L C 2 t )
Now:
q ˙ 1 = − I q ˙ 2 = − I
q 1 ( 0 ) = C V o ; q 2 ( 0 ) = 6 C V o
Solving for the charges on the capacitor gives:
q 1 = 4 9 C V o cos ( 3 L C 2 t ) − 4 5 C V o q 2 = 4 9 C V o cos ( 3 L C 2 t ) + 4 1 5 C V o
The current is maximum when:
sin ( 3 L C 2 t ) = 1 ⟹ I m a x = 2 L 3 V o 3 C
At the instant, the magnitude of potential difference across the capacitors are:
C q 1 = 4 5 V o 3 C q 2 = 4 5 V o
Therefore:
a = 3 b = 2 c = 3 d = 5 e = 4 f = 5 g = 4
The problem statement needs changes. See my expressions for potential difference and compare it with what you have typed. The potential difference is independent of capacitance.
Moreover, it is important to specify that a and b are positive and coprime integers, d and e are positive and coprime integers, f and g are positive and coprime integers and c is a positive integer with no perfect squares as a factor. Please make said changes for clarity. If you do not specify this, there are infinitely many correct answers to the problem. Honestly, I got lucky to have got the correct answer in the first try.
@Karan Chatrath
sir but I think,
Suppose you divide a by b you will get 1.5 which is not a integer,and same rest for all. so I think it would not create any problem. I think.
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You are missing my point. 3 / 2 = 1 . 5 and same holds true for 1 5 / 1 0 , for example. So by just saying that a and b are positive integers 1 5 and 1 0 would also be acceptable answers to the problem, which would give a very different result.
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@Karan Chatrath I agree with you. I have corrected the problem also. But I think 1 0 1 5 = 1 0 0 1 5 0 , so we should always try to minimize it till coprime integers.
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@A Former Brilliant Member – Precisely. You also need to modify the expressions for potential difference. See the result that I derived.
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@Karan Chatrath – @Karan Chatrath Aap kya kehna chahte mujhe samajh nhi aaya. Ab to sab shayad shi lag raha???
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@A Former Brilliant Member – You mentioned in the problem statement that the potential difference across the capacitor is of the form:
e d C V o
However, if you do a dimensional analysis of that expression, you will obtain the dimensions of charge. That is obviously incorrect. The correct statement should be
the potential difference across the capacitor is of the form:
e d V o
The form of the expression is independent of capacitance.
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@Karan Chatrath – @Karan Chatrath is it correct now. ??
@Karan Chatrath Can you please help me in this integration
∫
0
2
π
1
+
α
cos
2
θ
d
θ
α
is constant
Thanks in advance
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I don't think this function has an elementary anti-derivative. You could approximate the integrand using Taylor/Maclaurin Series to get an approximate solution.
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@Karan Chatrath now I have changed the question. Now is it possible??
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@A Former Brilliant Member – The integral represents the arc length of the curve y = α sin x from x = 0 to x = π / 2 . While I can geometrically interpret it, I do not know how to approach it to obtain an exact solution. This integral is a type of elliptic integral.
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@Karan Chatrath – @Karan Chatrath yes you are correct I was generalising the result of moment of inertia of eliipse for major and minor axis as a and b and I will put a = b and I will get the moment of inertia of circle. BTW will you try???
@Karan Chatrath sir I have written a note in calculus section but when I was mentioning your name , you name's link was not generating???
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Calling the left capacitor as A and the right one as B :
( i ) i = C d t d v A , v A ( 0 ) = V 0
( i i ) i = 3 C d t d v B , v B ( 0 ) = 2 V 0
( i i i ) L d t d i = v L , i ( 0 ) = 0
Applying Laplace transform :
( i ) I ( s ) = C ( s V A ( s ) − V 0 )
( i i ) I ( s ) = 3 C ( s V B ( s ) − 2 V 0 )
( i i i ) L s I ( s ) = V L ( s )
Multiplying ( i ) by 3 , ( i i i ) by 3 C s and rearranging:
( i ) 3 I ( s ) = 3 C s V A ( s ) − 3 C V 0
( i i ) I ( s ) = 3 C s V B ( s ) − 6 C V 0
( i i i ) 3 L C s 2 I ( s ) = 3 C s V L ( s )
Adding up the three equations, and having in mind that V A ( s ) + V B ( s ) + V L ( s ) = 0 , since we have a closed loop:
( 3 L C s 2 + 4 ) I ( s ) = − 9 C V 0
I ( s ) = − 3 L C s 2 + 4 9 C V 0
I ( s ) = − V 0 2 3 L 3 C s 2 + 3 L C 4 3 L C 2
i ( t ) = − V 0 2 3 L 3 C sin ( 3 L C 2 t )
So, in magnitude:
I m a x = V 0 2 3 L 3 C → a = 3 , b = 2 , c = 3
For capacitor A , from ( i ) :
V A ( s ) = C s I ( s ) + C V 0
V A ( s ) = − s ( 3 L C s 2 + 4 ) 9 V 0 + s V 0
V A ( s ) = − 4 9 V 0 ( s 1 − s 2 + 3 L C 4 s ) + s V 0
V A ( s ) = 4 9 V 0 ⋅ s 2 + 3 L C 4 s − 4 s 5 V 0
So:
v A ( t ) = 4 9 V 0 cos ( 3 L C 2 t ) − 4 5 V 0
Notice that, as expected, the argument of the cos in the voltage is the same of the sin in the current. So, since we want the maximum current, the sin in the current was 1 , so the cos in the voltage will be 0 . So:
v A ( t @ I m a x ) = ∣ ∣ ∣ ∣ ∣ − 4 5 V 0 ∣ ∣ ∣ ∣ ∣ = 4 5 V 0 → d = 5 , e = 4
Likewise for capacitor B :
V B ( s ) = 3 C s I ( s ) + 6 C V 0
V B ( s ) = − 4 9 V 0 ( s 1 − s 2 + 3 L C 4 s ) + s 2 V 0
V B ( s ) = 4 3 V 0 ⋅ s 2 + 3 L C 4 s − 4 s 5 V 0
So:
v B ( t ) = 4 3 V 0 cos ( 3 L C 2 t ) − 4 5 V 0
Likewise, since the cos will be 0 :
v B ( t @ I m a x ) = ∣ ∣ ∣ ∣ ∣ − 4 5 V 0 ∣ ∣ ∣ ∣ ∣ = 4 5 V 0 → f = 5 , g = 4
Thus:
a + b + c + d + e + f + g = 2 6