A 10cm - long cylindrical coil (solenoid) has 100 turns, with cross-sectional area of 10cm 2 ^2 . The coil is connected to an AC voltmeter. We make 10 tightly wound turns on a square of 10cm side and connect it to an AC current source of amplitude 1.0A and frequency 250Hz. We place the square-shaped loop around the solenoid, somewhere close to its middle. What will be the amplitude of the measured AC voltage, expressed in milli-volts?

Note added 4/11/2018: Due to a typo in the original posting the solenoid had 200 turns. That has been corrected to 100 turns.


The answer is 19.7.

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Laszlo Mihaly
Apr 6, 2018

The voltage is V 0 = M ω I 0 V_0=M\omega I_0 , where M M is the mutual inductance.

The mutual inductance is easier to calculate if we drive the current into the solenoid. The magnetic field in the solenoid is B = μ 0 I N 1 / 1 B=\mu_0 I N_1/\ell_1 , the flux is Φ B = μ 0 I N 1 A 1 / 1 \Phi_B=\mu_0 I N_1 A_1/\ell_1 . This is also the flux in the square-shaped coil. For the inductance we get M = N 2 d Φ B d I = μ 0 N 1 N 2 A 1 1 M=N_2 \frac{d\Phi_B}{d I}=\mu_0 N_1 N_2 \frac {A_1}{\ell_1} . Interestingly, in this configuration the mutual inductance does not depend on the shape and form of the larger coil (as long as the stray flux of the solenoid is negligible).

The mutual inductance is the same if the current and voltage sides are interchanged, so we get V 0 = μ 0 N 1 N 2 A 1 1 ω I 0 = 19.7 m V V_0= \mu_0 N_1 N_2 \frac {A_1}{\ell_1} \omega I_0=19.7mV

Greetings. I used the Biot-Savart Law to get the magnetic flux density (B) on the square loop axis, at an arbitrary distance from the source loop. I then added up the contributions to the peak solenoid voltage from each circular coil, keeping in mind that the B value is different for each coil. The contribution from each coil is (A coil * omega * B max), where B max depends on I max and on geometry. I ended up getting 26.424 mV peak (18.685 mV RMS), and I'm wondering why this method went wrong. I assumed that the flux density at the center of each circular loop was representative of the flux density for the entire loop. Would that cause the error?

Steven Chase - 3 years, 2 months ago

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In trying to answer your question, I re-did my calculation and I discovered a factor 2 error. Originally I did 100 turns for the solenoid, but it the problem I wrote 200. So the correct answer is 19.7mV, with 100 turns.

Your answer with 100 turns is 13.2mV. That makes sense, because the field gets stronger as you move off the axis, and therefore taking the value that corresponds to the axis will under-estimate the flux.

Thanks for taking the effort to try. You certainly helped to uncover my error.

The symmetry of the mutual inductance is a very general theorem, and it is valid for any shapes and forms of the coils. This example illustrates that calculation can be relatively easy in one direction, and quite difficult in the other direction. I am sure that with the proper accounting of the magnitude and direction of the magnetic field due to the square coil, one will get the same result.

Laszlo Mihaly - 3 years, 2 months ago

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Ok, I think I understand why I was off. Thanks. I'm halfway tempted to revise the simulation to account for the off-axis flux variation, and see how it goes. But it's also interesting to see that that approach is ultimately unnecessary.

Steven Chase - 3 years, 2 months ago

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@Steven Chase I posted a proof for the symmetry. It does not use the Biot-Savart law, but the corresponding expression for the vector potential.

Laszlo Mihaly - 3 years, 2 months ago

Here is the proof for the symmetry of the mutual inductance.

Consider M 12 = ϕ 1 / I 2 M_{12}=\phi_1/I_2 , where ϕ 1 \phi_1 is the magnetic flux in loop #1, generated by the current I 2 I_2 in loop #2. The magnetic field by the current I 2 I_2 can be calculated by the Biot Savart law, but here it is more practical to use the vector potential. The relationship between the magnetic field and the vector potential A \vec A is B = × A \vec B=\vec \nabla \times \vec A . The vector potential can be expressed with the current as

A ( r ) = μ 0 I 2 4 π C 2 d r 2 r r 2 A(\vec r)=\frac {\mu_0 I_2}{4 \pi} \oint_{C_2} \frac{\vec{d r_2}}{|\vec r-\vec r_2|}

where r 2 \vec r_2 is on loop #2.

The flux in loop #1 is ϕ 1 = S 1 B d S \phi_1 = \int_{S_1} \vec B \vec{dS} . Using the vector potential and Stokes's theorem we can write this as

ϕ 1 = S 1 ( × A ) d S = C 1 A d r 1 \phi_1 = \int_{S_1} (\vec \nabla \times \vec A) \vec{dS}= \oint_{C_1} \vec A \vec{dr_1}

Where the integration is over the first loop. Combining the two results we get

ϕ 1 = μ 0 I 2 4 π C 1 C 2 d r 1 d r 2 r 1 r 2 \phi_1 = \frac {\mu_0 I_2}{4 \pi} \oint_{C_1} \oint_{C_2} \frac{\vec{d r_1}\vec{dr_2}}{|\vec r_1-\vec r_2|}

and

M 12 = μ 0 4 π C 1 C 2 d r 1 d r 2 r 1 r 2 M_{12} = \frac {\mu_0 }{4 \pi} \oint_{C_1} \oint_{C_2} \frac{\vec{d r_1}\vec{dr_2}}{|\vec r_1-\vec r_2|}

This expression is symmetric with respect to interchanging the indices 1 and 2.

Laszlo Mihaly - 3 years, 2 months ago

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