Infinite Fractions - 6

Calculus Level 2

8 8 8 8 8 = ? \large \cfrac { 8 }{ \sqrt { \cfrac { 8 }{ \sqrt { \cfrac { 8 }{ \sqrt { \cfrac { 8 }{ \sqrt { \cfrac { 8 }{ \sqrt { \ddots } } } } } } } } } } = \, ?


The answer is 4.

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3 solutions

Mateus Gomes
Feb 15, 2016

8 8 8 8 8 = x \large \cfrac { 8 }{ \sqrt {\color{#3D99F6}{ \cfrac { 8 }{ \sqrt { \cfrac { 8 }{ \sqrt { \cfrac { 8 }{ \sqrt { \cfrac { 8 }{ \sqrt { \ddots } } } } } } } } } } } = \,\color{#3D99F6}{x} 8 x = x \large \cfrac { 8 }{\sqrt{\color{#3D99F6}{x}}} = \color{#3D99F6}{x} 8 = x 3 \large 8=\sqrt{x^3} 64 = x 3 \large 64={x^3} 4 = x \large 4=x

But how do we know that it converges?

Otto Bretscher - 5 years, 4 months ago

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Sir, could you please elaborate on this topic?

Rishik Jain - 5 years, 4 months ago

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We are given a sequence recursively defined by x 0 = 8 x_0=8 and x n + 1 = 8 x n x_{n+1}=\frac{8}{\sqrt{x_n}} . We need to show that lim n x n = 4 \lim_{n\to\infty}x_n=4 . Mateus gets us started by showing that 4 is a fixed point of the function f ( x ) = 8 x f(x)=\frac{8}{\sqrt{x}} , but there is more work to be done.

Otto Bretscher - 5 years, 4 months ago

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@Otto Bretscher So how do we prove that?

Rishik Jain - 5 years, 4 months ago

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@Rishik Jain See my solution.

Otto Bretscher - 5 years, 3 months ago

@Otto Bretscher Poorly laid-out problem. Asking for the limit was never done, first of all. Secondly, as n rises, x converges near zero.

Bad form.

Keith Bowers - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Keith Bowers The problem is fine. The three dots in the problem, by convention, implicitly ask for a limit.

Otto Bretscher - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Otto Bretscher I've never seen that convention. The dots simply indicate a continuation of the previous pattern, not a limit.

Keith Bowers - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Keith Bowers When you write 1 + 1 2 + 1 4 + . . . 1+\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{4}+... , for example, aren't you asking for a limit? Same thing here.

Otto Bretscher - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Otto Bretscher No, you aren't asking for a limit. You are simply indicating a continuation in order to keep from writing the problem forever. Asking for a limit of the problem is critical if indeed, you wish to calculate the limit.

Keith Bowers - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Keith Bowers So how do you interpret the meaning of the problems 1 + 1 2 + 1 4 + 1 + \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{4} + \ldots and 8 8 8 \frac{8}{\sqrt{\frac{8}{\sqrt{\frac{8}{\ldots}}}}} ? Note that the usual addition is only defined for a finite number of terms, and so as the usual division.

Ivan Koswara - 5 years, 3 months ago

@Keith Bowers For the sake of clarity, perhaps one could say: Evaluate the given expression. Would you find that a satisfactory solution?

Otto Bretscher - 5 years, 3 months ago

@Keith Bowers Let's agree to disagree.

Let me put it this way: If I ask a student in a Calculus I exam to "find 1 + 1 2 + 1 4 + . . . 1+\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{4}+... " and they say: "I see a pattern here , the next number is 1 8 \frac{1}{8} ", I'm not going to give them full credit, if any ;)

Otto Bretscher - 5 years, 3 months ago

Can't it be +4 and x*2+x+4?

Abdul Wasio - 5 years, 3 months ago

Nice and best solution

Ameya Aglawe - 5 years, 3 months ago
Otto Bretscher
Feb 16, 2016

The exponent is the value of a geometric series: 8 1 1 / 2 + 1 / 4 1 / 8 + = 8 2 / 3 = 4 8^{1 - 1/2 + 1/4 - 1/8 + \cdots} =8^{2/3} = 4 .

Sorry that's my fault. We were eager to feature this problem, and wanted to provide the additional reasoning behind the solution.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 3 months ago

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The "long" solution was very well written, but it's not "me". Maybe it could be posted as a comment or as a separate solution; I'm sure it will be helpful to many.

Otto Bretscher - 5 years, 3 months ago
Calvin Lin Staff
Mar 6, 2016

The nested radical function in question is equal to

8 ÷ ( 8 1 / 2 ÷ ( 8 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 ÷ ( 8 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 ÷ ( 8 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 × 12 ÷ ( ) ) ) ) 8 \div (8^{1/2} \div (8^{1/2 \times 1/2} \div (8^{1/2 \times1/2 \times1/2} \div (8^{1/2 \times1/2 \times1/2\times12} \div ( \cdots ))) \cdots )

For consistency, we convert all the divisions to multiplications to get:

8 1 × 8 1 / 2 × 8 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 × 8 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 × = 8 1 1 2 + 1 4 1 8 + \large 8^1 \times 8^{-1/2} \times 8^{1/2 \times1/2} \times 8^{-1/2 \times 1/2 \times 1/2} \times \cdots = 8^{1 - \frac12 + \frac14 - \frac18 + \cdots}

This is because a p 1 × a p 2 × a p 3 × = a p 1 + p 2 + p 3 + \large a^{p_1} \times a^{p_2} \times a^{p_3} \times \cdots = a^{p_1 + p_2 + p_3 + \cdots} .

What's left to do is to evaluate the infinite geometric progression sum , 1 1 2 + 1 4 1 8 + 1 - \frac12 + \frac14 - \frac18 + \cdots . In this case, the first term a = 1 a = 1 , common ratio r = 1 2 r = -\dfrac12 , and thus the sum is a 1 r = 1 1 + 1 2 = 2 3 \dfrac a{1-r} =\dfrac1{1 + \frac12} =\dfrac23 .

So the nested function in question is equal to 8 2 / 3 = ( 2 3 ) 2 / 3 = 2 3 × 2 / 3 = 2 2 = 4 8^{2/3} = (2^3)^{2/3} = 2^{3\times 2/3} = 2^2 = \boxed4 .

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