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But how do we know that it converges?
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Sir, could you please elaborate on this topic?
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We are given a sequence recursively defined by x 0 = 8 and x n + 1 = x n 8 . We need to show that lim n → ∞ x n = 4 . Mateus gets us started by showing that 4 is a fixed point of the function f ( x ) = x 8 , but there is more work to be done.
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@Otto Bretscher – So how do we prove that?
@Otto Bretscher – Poorly laid-out problem. Asking for the limit was never done, first of all. Secondly, as n rises, x converges near zero.
Bad form.
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@Keith Bowers – The problem is fine. The three dots in the problem, by convention, implicitly ask for a limit.
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@Otto Bretscher – I've never seen that convention. The dots simply indicate a continuation of the previous pattern, not a limit.
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@Keith Bowers – When you write 1 + 2 1 + 4 1 + . . . , for example, aren't you asking for a limit? Same thing here.
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@Otto Bretscher – No, you aren't asking for a limit. You are simply indicating a continuation in order to keep from writing the problem forever. Asking for a limit of the problem is critical if indeed, you wish to calculate the limit.
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@Keith Bowers – So how do you interpret the meaning of the problems 1 + 2 1 + 4 1 + … and … 8 8 8 ? Note that the usual addition is only defined for a finite number of terms, and so as the usual division.
@Keith Bowers – For the sake of clarity, perhaps one could say: Evaluate the given expression. Would you find that a satisfactory solution?
@Keith Bowers – Let's agree to disagree.
Let me put it this way: If I ask a student in a Calculus I exam to "find 1 + 2 1 + 4 1 + . . . " and they say: "I see a pattern here , the next number is 8 1 ", I'm not going to give them full credit, if any ;)
Can't it be +4 and x*2+x+4?
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The exponent is the value of a geometric series: 8 1 − 1 / 2 + 1 / 4 − 1 / 8 + ⋯ = 8 2 / 3 = 4 .
Sorry that's my fault. We were eager to feature this problem, and wanted to provide the additional reasoning behind the solution.
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The "long" solution was very well written, but it's not "me". Maybe it could be posted as a comment or as a separate solution; I'm sure it will be helpful to many.
The nested radical function in question is equal to
8 ÷ ( 8 1 / 2 ÷ ( 8 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 ÷ ( 8 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 ÷ ( 8 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 × 1 2 ÷ ( ⋯ ) ) ) ⋯ )
For consistency, we convert all the divisions to multiplications to get:
8 1 × 8 − 1 / 2 × 8 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 × 8 − 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 × 1 / 2 × ⋯ = 8 1 − 2 1 + 4 1 − 8 1 + ⋯
This is because a p 1 × a p 2 × a p 3 × ⋯ = a p 1 + p 2 + p 3 + ⋯ .
What's left to do is to evaluate the infinite geometric progression sum , 1 − 2 1 + 4 1 − 8 1 + ⋯ . In this case, the first term a = 1 , common ratio r = − 2 1 , and thus the sum is 1 − r a = 1 + 2 1 1 = 3 2 .
So the nested function in question is equal to 8 2 / 3 = ( 2 3 ) 2 / 3 = 2 3 × 2 / 3 = 2 2 = 4 .
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⋱ 8 8 8 8 8 = x x 8 = x 8 = x 3 6 4 = x 3 4 = x