9 2 7 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . . = ?
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Another way to do this is to note that the given expression is just
9 2 1 2 7 4 1 . . . 1 2 8 8 1 . . . 9 1 6 . . . 1
Which is just
9 2 1 + 1 6 1 + 1 2 8 1 . . . 2 7 geometric series 1 2 8 geometric series Summing the geometric series in the exponents gives us 9 7 4 2 7 7 2 1 2 8 7 1 which easily simplifies to 18.
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thanks for the tip
Hi, can you explain how to get 7 4 f r o m 2 1 + 1 6 1 + 1 2 8 1 . . . I got stuck there, thanks
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Well for that geometric convergence series, I would've done something like this:
1/2 + 1/16 + 1/128 + ... = 1/2 (1+1/8 + 1/64 + ...) =1/2 ( (1/8)^0 + (1/8)^ 1+ (1/8)^2 + ...)
So from the last equation above, you would just have a convergence series with a base of 8 that starts at the exponent 0 and is summed all the way to infinity all by multiplied by a factor of 1/2. That should give you 4/7.
Sorry for the formatting but for some reason I can't get latex to work. I am using Chrome. Do you think that might be part of the problem? Maybe you could help me out with this lol With proper formatting I would've made it a lot nicer to read. Sorry about that.
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@Moe El-Youssef – Thanks a lot :D
About your problem, you have to wrap latex in \( ... \) or \[ ... \]
Let, y=(the sequence given) Since this is an infinite sequence, y^8=(3^14) (2^7) y Hence, y^7=(3^14) (2^7) or, y=(3^2) 2
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nice,simple and fast, I din't thought of it
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The solution I had in mind is similar to Ayan Sen's, but modifying the surd into all '3's is an interesting approach as well.
hey Ayan plz tell me how did you get y^8=(3^14)(2^7)y..... plz explain it
i also did it this way
That's exactly what I did. Good job.
Let x = sqrt( 9 sqrt( 27 sqrt(128*x) ) ) and solve for x
simple and fast good thinking
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Thanks!
I = sqrt(9 sqrt(27 sqrt(128 ...))))). We have ((((I^2)/9)^2/27)^2/128) = I -> I^7 = (9^4) (27^2)*128 = 18^7 -> I= 18
Another method is- consider root 9 root 27 root 128 root 9... as x. sqare both sides. so, we get, 9 [root{27(root128.....)}]=x^2. squaring qnce more, we get- 81 27 {root128(root9.....)}=x^4. squaring once more, (81^2) (27^2) 128 [root9{root27.....}]= x^8 putting root9root27root128..=x in the L.H.S of this equation, (81^2) (27^2) (1280) x=x^8. dividing both sides by x, (as x is non zero), we get- (81^2) (27^2) 128=x^7 which implies, x=7th root of [(81^2) (27^2)*128]=18
nice job it is simple to understand
man your way for this solution was amazing...did u participate in Malaysia mathematics Olympiad competition or what? i'm some kind of jealous with your way of thinking -_-
x = 9 2 7 1 2 8 9 …
x = 9 2 7 1 2 8 x
9 x 2 = 2 7 1 2 8 x
8 1 ⋅ 2 7 x 4 = 8 2 x
x 7 = 3 1 4 ⋅ 2 7
x = 3 2 ⋅ 2 = 1 8 .
Step 2 is equal to 3 x = 2 7 1 2 8 x
Square both sides and you get 9 x 2 = 2 7 1 2 8 x
Square again and get 8 1 x 4 = 2 7 1 2 8 x . Divide by 2 7 , and by this way you get 8 1 ⋅ 2 7 x 4 = 8 2 x . So that's the transition from 3 to 4 . But this is just a way of manipulating the equation. You can manipulate it differently. The point is to realize that x is inside the radical because it's infinite.
Same here
@Diego, thanks:)
I did the same..
Used the same approach! :)
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same here
I also did it did way!!
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That's smooth, but can you explain the transition from step 3 to 4? Btw I study in class 10 in an Indian board, and therefore have no knowledge of a geometric series. Do try to explain without using that concept. Thanks!
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He's using the fact that 1 2 8 = 6 4 × 2 and rewriting as 6 4 × 2 × x = 6 4 × 2 x = 8 2 x
Let the solution be x , since the term occurs recursively it could be rewritten as:
9 2 7 1 2 8 x = x = >
By raising the equation to power 8:
9 4 ∗ 2 7 2 ∗ 1 2 8 x = x 8 = >
3 1 4 ∗ 2 7 = x 7 = >
x = 3 2 ∗ 2 = 1 8 .
this is the real method
i like this method.. very simple..
thanks!
Why did u taise x to the power 8?
This is my first time posting a solution and using LaTeX, so expect my solution to be bad :/
Let: 9 2 7 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . . = x Then 9 2 7 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . . = x 2 2 7 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . . = 9 x 2 2 7 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . . = 9 2 x 4 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . . = 9 2 × 2 7 x 4 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . . = 9 4 × 2 7 2 x 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . . = 9 4 × 2 7 2 × 1 2 8 x 8 Deriving from the first equation gives us: x = 9 4 × 2 7 2 × 1 2 8 x 8 9 4 × 2 7 2 × 1 2 8 = x 7 3 1 4 × 2 7 = x 7 3 2 × 2 = x 1 8 = x
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Let x = 9 2 7 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . . .
x = 9 2 7 1 2 8 x
Squaring both sides,
x 2 = 9 2 7 1 2 8 x
Squaring both sides,
x 4 = 9 2 . 2 7 1 2 8 x
Squaring both sides,
x 8 = 9 4 . 2 7 2 . 1 2 8 x
Since x = 0 can't be the solution, we have
x 7 = 9 4 . 2 7 2 . 1 2 8
x 7 = 3 8 . 3 6 . 2 7
x 7 = 3 1 6 . 2 7
Taking seventh root on both sides,
x = 3 2 . 2 = 1 8
Hello Ajay, there is an "small error", the correct experssion is x^7=3^14*2^7.
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Oh yaa, I noticed the typo now. Thanks!
The second last step is x 7 = 3 1 4 . 2 7
9 2 7 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 … ⇒ 3 2 3 3 2 7 3 2 3 3 2 7 … is equal to 3 6 6 6 6 6 …
Now I want to demostrate that x x x … = x :
x x x … = i = 1 ∏ ∞ x 2 − i
I know also that lo g ∏ = ∑ lo g because of the properties of logarithms
so l o g a i = 1 ∏ ∞ x 2 − i = i = 1 ∑ ∞ lo g a ( x 2 − i ) for a > 0 & a = 1
⇒ i = 1 ∑ ∞ 2 − i lo g a ( x ) = lo g a ( x ) i = 1 ∑ ∞ 2 − i = lo g a ( x ) since i = 1 ∑ ∞ 2 − i = 1
so l o g a i = 1 ∏ ∞ x 2 − i = lo g a ( x )
⇒ i = 1 ∏ ∞ x 2 − i = x
so x x x … = x
so 6 6 6 6 6 … = 6
and finally 3 6 6 6 6 6 … = 3 ∗ 6 = 1 8
Nice use of product series and log properties :)
Let's call 9 2 7 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . . = P then
9 2 7 1 2 8 P = P
Continuing,
9 2 7 1 2 8 P = P 2
2 7 1 2 8 P = 9 P 2
2 7 1 2 8 P = 3 4 P 4
1 2 8 P = 3 7 P 4
1 2 8 P = 3 1 4 P 8
P = 2 7 × 3 1 4 P 8
P 7 = 2 7 × 3 1 4
P = 2 × 3 2 = 1 8
indian type answer
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Let the given surds = y, Then [9[27[128 y = y {{{ Let [ indicate square root sign}}}} Squaring both side we get, 9[27[128 y = y^2 or, 3^2[3^3[2^7 y = y^2 squaring again, we get, 3^4 3^3[2^7 y = y^4 squaring again, we get, 3^8 3^6 2^7 y = y^8 or, 3^8 3^6 2^7 = y^7 or, 3^14 2^7 = y^7 or, 9^7 2^7 = y^7 or,9*2=y i.e y=18
First, we notice that the sequence of square roots is recursive. We can thus write an equation: x = 9 2 7 1 2 8 x This simplifies to: x 7 = 6 1 2 2 2 0 0 3 2 This equation has exactly 7 solutions, but only one of them is real. That solution is 18.
We use here the formula of sum of infinite Geometric Progression series when common ratio(r) < 1, Sum ( S ) = 1 − r a where a is first term of GP and r is the common ratio, i.e, ratio between 2 consecutive terms of the GP.
9 2 7 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . . .
= 9 2 1 × 2 7 4 1 × 1 2 8 8 1 × 9 1 6 1 × 2 7 3 2 1 × 1 2 8 6 4 1 × . . . . . . . .
= 9 ( 2 1 + 1 6 1 + . . . . ) × 2 7 ( 4 1 + 3 2 1 + . . . . ) × 1 2 8 ( 8 1 + 6 4 1 + . . . . . )
= 9 1 − 8 1 2 1 × 2 7 1 − 8 1 4 1 × 1 2 8 1 − 8 1 8 1
= 9 8 7 2 1 × 2 7 8 7 4 1 × 1 2 8 8 7 8 1
= 9 7 4 × 2 7 7 2 × 1 2 8 7 1
= ( 3 2 ) 7 4 × ( 3 3 ) 7 2 × ( 2 7 ) 7 1
= ( 3 ) 2 × 7 4 × ( 3 ) 3 × 7 2 × ( 2 ) 7 × 7 1
= ( 3 ) 7 8 × ( 3 ) 7 6 × ( 2 ) 1
= ( 3 ) 7 8 + 7 6 × 2
= ( 3 ) 7 1 4 × 2 = ( 3 ) 2 × 2 = 9 × 2 = 1 8
Sorry for the small size in writing powers on top of the nos.
Let x be 9 2 7 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 ⋯ . 9 2 7 1 2 8 x 3 2 3 3 2 7 x 3 2 3 3 2 7 x 3 3 2 7 x 3 3 2 7 x 2 7 x 2 7 x x x 7 x x = = = = = = = = = = = x x x 2 3 2 x 2 3 4 x 4 3 4 ⋅ 3 3 x 4 3 8 ⋅ 3 6 x 8 3 8 ⋅ 3 6 ⋅ 2 7 x 8 3 1 4 ⋅ 2 7 3 2 ⋅ 2 1 8
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My method is same with you.
Great! Math is the language, so one should describe in a simple manner & you did it. :)
Let's call the expression w and rewrite it as: w = 9 1 / 2 × 2 7 1 / 4 × 1 2 8 1 / 8 × 9 1 / 1 6 × 2 7 1 / 3 2 × 1 2 8 1 / 6 4 × …
If we raise it to the power of 8 we get w 8 = 9 4 × 2 7 2 × 1 2 8 1 × ( 9 1 / 2 × 2 7 1 / 4 × 1 2 8 1 / 8 × … ) which means w 8 = 9 4 × 2 7 2 × 1 2 8 1 × w . Manipulating the exponents, we find the answer:
w 7 = 3 8 × 3 6 × 2 7 → w 7 = 3 1 4 × 2 7 → w = 3 2 × 2 = 1 8
Nice!
import math
k = 1
for i in range(200):
k = math.sqrt(128*k)
k = math.sqrt(27*k)
k = math.sqrt(9*k)
print k
# Returns
# 18.0
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Let the given expression shown be equal to x . Then, from the pattern:
x = 9 2 7 1 2 8 x
⟹ x = 3 3 3 × 8 2 x
⟹ x = 3 6 6 2 x
Squaring both sides,
⟹ x 2 = 5 4 6 2 x
Squaring again:
⟹ x 4 = 5 4 2 ⋅ 6 2 x
⟹ x 8 = ( 2 2 ⋅ 3 6 ) 2 ( 2 ⋅ 3 ) 2 ( 2 x )
⟹ x 7 = 2 7 ⋅ 3 1 4
⟹ x = 2 ⋅ 3 2 = 1 8
You can write the expression recursively:
a ( n + 1 ) = 9 2 7 1 2 8 a ( n )
Which simplifies to
a ( n + 1 ) = 3 7 / 4 2 7 / 8 a ( n ) 1 / 8
If the sequence has a limit, it will be a fixed point of the recursion. To find the fixed points just solve
x = 3 7 / 4 2 7 / 8 x 1 / 8
There are two solutions, x = 0 and x = 1 8 .
x = 0 is a trivial solution, thus the limit must be 1 8 (assuming it exists).
try generalizing and making a common element having cube or square then just commionsense
So do I :)
we can do this by 2 methods.one of them is---
Let the value comes to be x.
now x=sqrt[9sqrt{27sqrt(128x)}]
squaring both the sides 3 times you will get---
x^7=3^14*2^7
x=3^2*2=18.
9=3 * 3,27=3 * 3 * 3,128=2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 let calculate all 3 * 2 * 3=18
x = 9 2 7 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . .
x 2 = 9 2 7 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . .
x 4 = 8 1 ∗ 2 7 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . .
x 8 = 8 1 2 ∗ 2 7 2 ∗ 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . .
x 8 = 8 1 2 ∗ 2 7 2 ∗ 1 2 8 ∗ x
x = 1 8
let sqrt(9sqrt(27sqrt(128)))=x
then sqrt(9sqrt(27sqrt(128x)))=x
now on squaring both sides for three times we get
(81 27)^2 128=x^7
on solving we get x=18
let 9 2 7 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . . = x and then we get ( 9 2 2 7 ) 2 1 2 8 9 2 7 1 2 8 . . . = x 8 ( 9 2 2 7 ) 2 1 2 8 x = x 8 ( 3 4 3 3 ) 2 1 2 8 x = x 8 3 1 4 2 7 = x 7 3 2 2 = x x = 1 8
\sqrt{9sqrt{27sqrt{128sqrt x}}} = x. then, x^4 = [\sqrt{9sqrt{27sqrt{128sqrt x}}}]^4 x^4 = 81 27\sqrt{128} x^4 2 = [ 81 27\sqrt{128}]^2 x^8 = 6561 729 128 x = [6561 729*128]^8= 18 {if you don't understand it this way , just keep in mind that keep on squaring both the sides of the equation until all the numbers are out of the nested surd and then find the nth root of the final product , where 'n' is the exponent of the answer 'x'.]
First, we can observe that the first three nested surds are equal to
9 2 7 1 2 8 = 8 1 8 7
So, our entire nested expression, let´s call it S , can be wrote as
S = 8 1 8 7 8 1 8 7 8 1 8 7 8 . . .
Thus
S = 1 8 8 7 ⋅ 1 8 8 2 7 ⋅ 1 8 8 3 7 ⋅ 1 8 8 4 7 ⋅ . . .
S = ( 1 8 7 / 8 ) 1 + ( 8 1 ) + ( 8 1 ) 2 + ( 8 1 ) 3 + . . .
S = ( 1 8 7 / 8 ) 7 8
S = 1 8
take the given nested surds equal to y , then take power 8 on both sides we get y^8=(18)^7(y) or y^7=(18)^7 this gives y=18
what we can see is a pattern after every the under root things if we take it all equal to Y ,then we can get Y=3(SQ ROOT OF 6 AND INSIDE SQ ROOT OF 6 LIKE THAT) AFTER THAT SQUARE BOTH SIDE U WILL GET
Y SQ=9 * 6 * Y / 3
THEN Y=18
Y=/9/27/128y Y2=9/27/128y Y2/9=/27/128y (Y2/9)2=27/128y Y4/37=/128y Y8/314=128y Y7=27*97 Y=18
... É apenas uma questão de teoria , se levar em conta que o inicio até os pontinhos fica 3V^4 3^3.2^3V2.3V^4 3^3.2^3V2 ... ,podemos ver que os números que ficariam fora das raízes seriam aproximadamente 3.3.2 , visto que o 3 e o dois estão elevados a terceira e se repetem em dizima , então o numero aproximado seria 18 , bem não segui essa linha fiz de um jeito mais complicado , mas se esse sistema funcionar eu dou um ed avisando!
let y= y= and squaring three times so y^7=18^7
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@Ahmed Nabil You're welcome! Hope you enjoyed this problem:)
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The first step to do is simplify 9 2 7 1 2 8
9 2 7 1 2 8
= 9 2 7 × 8 2
= 9 2 1 6 2
= 9 × 6 6 2
= 5 4 6 2
= 3 6 6 2
By substituting 9 2 7 1 2 8 = 3 6 6 2
We will get,
3 6 6 2 × 3 6 6 2 …
= 3 6 6 6 6 6 6 …
Let x = 6 6 6 6 6 6 …
x 2 = 6 6 6 6 6 6 …
So, 6 x = x 2
x = 6
3 x = 3 6 6 6 6 6 6 …
So,
3 6 6 6 6 6 6 … = 1 8
So the answer is 18