Inscribed Equilateral

Geometry Level 3

Equilateral Δ A B C \Delta ABC with side length 12 12 is inscribed in a circle. Points D , E , F D,E,F are on minor arcs B C \overset{\frown}{BC} , A C \overset{\frown}{AC} , and A B \overset{\frown}{AB} , respectively, such that A D + B E + C F = 40 AD+BE+CF=40 . Find the perimeter of hexagon A E C D B F AECDBF .


The answer is 40.

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7 solutions

Oliver Welsh
Dec 21, 2013

Consider the cyclic quadrilateral A B D C ABDC . By Ptolemy's theorem we have, B C A D = A B C D + A C B D \ 12 A D = 12 C D + 12 B D \ A D = C D + B D (1) \begin{aligned} {BC} \cdot {AD} &= {AB} \cdot {CD} + {AC} \cdot {BD} \\\ 12{AD} &= 12{CD} + 12{BD} \\\ &\Rightarrow {AD} = {CD} + {BD} \tag{1} \end{aligned} Following the same process, we find that, \begin{aligned} {BE} &= {CE} + {AE} \tag{2}\\\ {CF} &= {BF} + {AF} \tag{3} \end{aligned} Thus, from ( 1 ) , ( 2 ) , ( 3 ) (1), (2), (3) , we have the total perimeter of the hexagon A E C D B F AECDBF is, P = A E + C E + C D + B D + B F + A F \ = A D + B E + C F \ = 40 \begin{aligned} P &= AE+CE+CD+BD+BF+AF\\\ &=AD+BE+CF \\\ &=\fbox{40} \end{aligned}

Sorry for the silly question but how can we show that 40 is a possible value of AD+BE+CF?

Pranav Arora - 7 years, 5 months ago

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Its given in the question.

Oliver Welsh - 7 years, 5 months ago

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I think I was not clear. Assume that we don't know that AD+BE+CF=40, is it possible to determine the range of values AD+BE+CF can have?

Pranav Arora - 7 years, 5 months ago

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@Pranav Arora The lengths of A D , B E , C F AD, BE, CF are maximised when they are all diameters of the circle. It can be found that d = 8 3 d = 8\sqrt{3} which implies that the maximum of A D + B E + C F AD+ BE+ CF is 24 3 24 \sqrt{3} The lengths of A D , B E , C F AD, BE, CF are minimised when the points D , E , F D,E,F lie on the triangle. In this case A D = B E = C F = 12 AD= BE= CF=12 hence A D + B E + C F = 36 AD+ BE+ CF = 36 . However, this minimum cannot be achieved since A E C D B F AECDBF will be a triangle, so, 36 < A D + B E + C F 24 3 36<AD+ BE+ CF\leq 24\sqrt{3} 40 40 is in this range and so is an acceptable value to use.

Oliver Welsh - 7 years, 5 months ago

@Pranav Arora If you are looking for the highest value of AD+BE+CF,then you can simply compute the highest value that each of AD,BE,CF can take and add them together.In this case,the highest value occurs when AD,BE and CF are all diameters of the circle.Diameter of the circumcircle is given by

12 s i n ( 60 ) = 8 3 \dfrac{12}{sin(60)}=8\sqrt{3}

Therefore,the highest value is 24 3 24\sqrt{3} .

Rahul Saha - 7 years, 5 months ago

wow, so smart

Cal Wells - 7 years, 5 months ago

better than the best solution

akash deep - 7 years, 1 month ago

Thats a good one.....

Anandu Vs V S - 7 years ago

Good solution

Akshat Sharda - 5 years, 10 months ago
Athul Nambolan
Dec 22, 2013

MAKE A PROPER FIG. FIRST. WE WILL APPLY PTOLEMY'S THEOREM .

ALL THE QUADRILATERAL ABOUT WHICH WE TALKING ARE CYCLIC , SO IN A B D C , A D . B C = A B . C D + B D . A C ( P T O L E M Y S T H E O R E M ) ABDC, AD.BC=AB.CD + BD.AC ( PTOLEMY'S THEOREM) 12. A D = 12 C D + 12. A C 12. AD=12CD+ 12.AC ie A D = C D + A C AD=CD +AC

SIMILARLY REPEATING STEPS IN QUADRILATERALS BAFC & AEBC , WE GET CE=AE+BE & BF=AF+FC AND PERIMETR F HEXAGON = CD+AC+AE+BE+AF+FC= AD+CE+BE= 40 (GIVEN)

Jan J.
Dec 28, 2013

By Pompeiu's theorem D A = D B + D C DA = DB + DC E B = E C + E A EB = EC + EA F C = F A + F B FC = FA + FB Hence the perimeter is 40 \boxed{40} .

Ajit Athle
Dec 24, 2013

By Ptolemy, AD 12 = CD 12 + BD*12 or AD = BD + DC. Likewise, BE = CE + AE & CF = AF + BF. In other words, 40 = AD + BE + CF = Reqd. Perimeter

Sagnik Saha
Dec 22, 2013

Its kinda becomes easier i solving the problem by seeing the tags attached to it! :P Its clear we have to use Ptolemy's theorem as the tag suggests! Just kidding! :P Its clear to sue the Ptolemy's theorem when we have cyclic quadrilateral and we have to find the length of 2 sides of it . Well, applying Ptolemy's theorem in cyclic quadrilateral A B D C ABDC , we see that

B D × A C BD \times AC + D C × A B DC\times AB = A D × B C AD \times BC

Putting the values of the sides we get B D + D C BD+DC = A D AD . Similarly, we will have, C E + E A CE+EA = B E BE and A F + F B AF+FB = C F CF

Hence, adding the three equations, we have B D + D C + C E + E A + A F + F D BD+DC+CE+EA+AF+FD = A D + B E + C F AD+BE+CF ,

or, B D + D C + C E + E A + A F + F D BD+DC+CE+EA+AF+FD = 40 \boxed{40}

lol, I solved this problem by coordinate bashing because I didn't know ptolmey's theorem...

Harrison Lian - 7 years, 5 months ago
Daniel Liu
Dec 19, 2013

Applying Ptolemy's Theorem and dividing by 12 12 , A D = B D + C D AD=BD+CD . Similarly, B E = A E + C E BE=AE+CE and C F = A F + B F CF=AF+BF . Therefore the perimeter is simply A D + B E + C F = 40 AD+BE+CF=\boxed{40} .

Thom Lu
Dec 21, 2013

By Ptolemy's Theorem, we have A D B C = A B C D + A C B D A D = B D + C D . AD\cdot BC = AB\cdot CD + AC\cdot BD \Rightarrow AD = BD + CD. We then see by the analogous relations that A E + E C + C D + D B + B F + F A = A D + B E + C F = 40 , AE + EC + CD + DB + BF + FA = AD + BE + CF = 40, so the answer is 40 \boxed{40} .

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