For every real number z , define the infinite nested logarithm as the limit of the series
a 1 = ln z a 2 = ln ln z z a 3 = ln ln ln z z z ⋮
where a n + 1 = ln a n z .
For what value of Z , does the limit of the sequence a n exist for all z > Z ?
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Please correct me if I have made any mistake.
I am not sure but I have never seen a natural logarithm with a base. So I assumed it to be log instead of ln.
Having all the terms real does not imply that the corresponding limits exist.
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The idea is that if even 1 term is negative, the next term will not exist, leading to the limit not existing
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True. But here we are comcerned with showing that the limit indeed exists when z crosses a threshold.
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@Abhishek Sinha – So how do we show that?
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@Archit Boobna – I think it is possible to show the corresponding map f ( x ) = ln x ln z to be a contraction mapping into some suitable interval where f maps into itself. Then the convergence of the sequence will follow.
Pi never occurs as a result in logarithms, choose "Double e" ✅
Crap, I was just about to post a question just like this...
Now let the series be defined with the complex logarithm. Does there exist z C = min { z ∣ z , L ∈ R }
where lim n → ∞ a n = L ?
The problem is essentially about the stability of a fixed point. Allowing for complex logarithms allow us to define the sequence, but that doesn't imply that we will still obtain convergence to the fixed point.
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Haha I was not implying so, just posing the question for others to ponder.
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To find minimum value of "z", we may use the minimum value of a n , as each a n decreases as z decreases, so minimum value of a n will occur at minimum value of z making it real.
(Why is this true? Differentiate any a n with respect to z, it will always be positive if real.)
Let b n = a n + 1 . Now all the terms of these series are common. So for them to exist, they both need to exist together. Let's assume b n exists for b n − 1 greater than a certain value k.
Since b n − 1 is behaving in the same way for b n as a n − 1 is doing for a n , min( a n − 1 ) such that a n is real is also "k".
So, A l l t e r m s a r e r e a l min a n − 1 = A l l t e r m s a r e r e a l min b n − 1 ∴ A l l t e r m s a r e r e a l min a n − 1 = A l l t e r m s a r e r e a l min a n ∴ A l l t e r m s a r e r e a l min a 1 = A l l t e r m s a r e r e a l min a 2
So minima of terms (and consequently z) such that all terms are real will occur when a 1 = a 2
( H e r e " z " r e p r e s e n t s m i n i m u m v a l u e o f z ) ln z = lo g ln z z ∴ lo g e z = lo g ln z z ∴ e = ln z min z = e e