{ x + y = 3 x × y = 5
Suppose x and y are two real numbers satisfying the above two relations. Then find the value of x 3 + y 3 .
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Simple standard approach.
Nice use of the identity! +1 :3
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Thanks :3
And yes , you should complement people like these :)
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Haha, okay, will do :)
Lol Level 4 !! ??
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@Mehul Arora – That is obvious. ..
@Mehul Arora – See my total upvotes :3
@A Former Brilliant Member – Oh my God , how is it Level 4? O.o
Nice! Those equations look awfully similar to vietas. So I just formed a quadratic x 2 − 3 x + 5 out of them, which has complex roots.
A M = 2 3 and G M = 5 > 2 , violating G M ≤ A M for positive real numbers. There is no solution.
Nice observation of the violating AM-GM inequality! +1
But sir we can use AM-GM only when we are dealing with positive reals.
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The inequality x y ≤ ( 2 x + y ) 2 holds for all reals. If x y and x + y are both positive, as in our case, then we can take square roots to find G M ≤ A M .
But nowhere in the question is specified about x , y being p o s i t i v e reals... So how can we apply A M − G M inequality on x , y ? Am I missing something??
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I did not want to insult the reader's intelligence by stating the obvious.
The inequality x y ≤ ( 2 x + y ) 2 holds for all reals. If x y and x + y are both positive, as in our case, then we can take square roots to find G M ≤ A M .
As you know, I love to submit one-line solutions, so, there is no room to state the obvious ;)
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BTW my solution is inspired by your solution on Arjen's problem where you imagined things .. Here I imagined the rectangular hyperbola.. ;-)
Oh man.... I'm such a noob... Sorry for troubling you. ;-) I'll delete this anyways... Thanks :-) ....
Right your solutions are awesome ...I'll take care from next time.
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@Rishabh Jain – I love your elegant solutions and all the different methods you show!
Here is a challenging problem for you! We are counting on a great solution, using Methods 1, 2, 3... ;)
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@Otto Bretscher – I already got that wrong ;-)... I applied some chemistry only to get that problem wrong .. I used perfect tetrahedral angle in methane i . e 1 0 9 . 5 ° and found its cos which I found to be − 0 . 3 3 .. ...... Anyways soon I'll learn chebyshev polynomials as well in my summer breaks( they've greatly amazed me).. And I'll be ready to write solutions on your problems related with it too. .. ;-)
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@Rishabh Jain – You don't need Chebychev polynomials for this one. You are right, cos ( θ 3 ) = − 3 1 . What about cos ( θ 2 ) ? Maybe you see a trend... ;)
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@Otto Bretscher – No I was referring to your other problems which give a feeling about your love towards Chebyshew polynomials.. ( I said this reference to writing solutions to your other related problems ).....
Ya I misinterpreted the question so I'll try it again... Thanks
Same way :) +1
Method 1 We know, For real numbers x , y . ( x − y ) 2 ≥ 0 ⟹ ( x + y ) 2 − 4 x y ≥ 0 ⟹ x y ≤ 4 ( x + y ) 2 = 4 9 = 2 . 2 5 But here x y = 5 > 2 . 2 5 - A contradiction. Hence No Solutions exist . Method 2 Placing value of x from x y = 5 . x + x 5 = 3 ⟹ x 2 − 3 x + 5 = 0 Discriminant of this equation is negative hence no real x and as a result no real y exist. Method 3 Clearly graphs of x + y = 3 and x y = 5 does not give any common x , y . In fact, x + y = 2 5 is the line which is parrallel to the given line and is tangent to the curve x y = 5 while the line in the question is at less distance than this line from origin hence no common point.
Nice use of the basic a 2 ≥ 0 ∀ a ∈ R inequality! +1
X = 3 -Y
X x Y =(3-Y)Y = 5
Y^2 -3Y + 5
b^2 - 4ac =-11
The roots of this equation are imaginary.
So there are no real solutions.
Nice approach! +0!
Good use of quadratic discriminant! +1
Nikhil , you can learn to post Latex solutions if you refer this guide . Hope to see more beautiful solutions from you! :)
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Thank You sir
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Lol , I am not a sir. I am your friend ;-)
i also did in the same way..
With a problem carrying my name, least I can do is submit an alternative solution :)
Lemma : Under the constraint x + y = c the maximum value of x y for real x , y occurs when x = y = c / 2 .
Application: In this case, that maximum value is x y = ( 3 / 2 ) 2 = 2 4 1 . Therefore there are no real solutions for x y = 5 .
Proof of the lemma : quadratic functions have a vertex; here that is clearly a maximum, because we can make x y very strongly negative by letting x = very big number and y = 3 − x ; finally, symmetry requires that the maximum is reached when x = y . Of course there are more boring, symbolic proofs, but this is more fun.
That's a nice approach! +1
( x + y ) 3 = x 3 + y 3 + 3 x y ( x + y ) ∴ x 3 + y 3 = ( x + y ) 3 − 3 x y ( x + y ) ∴ x 3 + y 3 = − 1 8
But wait, let's observe the conditions given we have:-
⎩ ⎪ ⎨ ⎪ ⎧ x + y x × y x 3 + y 3 = = = 3 5 − 1 8
Now observing the 3 r d case we can say that x and y cannot be positive real number as x 3 + y 3 = − 1 8 . Assuming x is negative and y is positive such that ∣ x ∣ > ∣ y ∣ , may satisfy the 3 r d condition but it will not satisfy 2 n d condition which says that x y = 5 since we have assumed x is negative, product cannot be positive. Same goes if we assume y negative and x positive.
Another way that may satisfy the condition is that both x and y are negative. It may satisfy 3 r d and 2 n d condition but not 1 s t condition that is x + y = 3 . Sum cannot be positive if both x and y are negative!!
Observing all the possible conditions, we can say that no real values can satisfy above conditions.
Nice approach. +1.
Squaring equation 1 we get x 2 + y 2 + 2 x y = 9 . From equation 2 se get that x 2 + y 2 = − 1 . This is not possible as square of any real number is always non-negative. Hence no real solution.
( x − y ) 2 ≥ 0
or, ( x + y ) 2 ≥ 4 x y
Here, 3 2 < 4 . 5 . Thus no solution exists
From the system, we see that x and y are the roots of the equation X 2 − 3 X + 5 = 0 which has no roots so the correct answer is "No solution exist"
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First let us see if there actually exist x , y ∈ R satisfying the above equations. Hence we use the identity:
x 2 + y 2 = ( x + y ) 2 − 2 x y = 3 2 − 2 ( 5 ) = 9 − 1 0 = − 1
But since x , y ∈ R , we have x 2 + y 2 ≥ 0 and above we are getting x 2 + y 2 = − 1 which is less than 0 . Hence , a contradiction and no solution exists for the given system.