Inspired by Efren Medallo

Calculus Level 1

True or false?

Because lim x 0 x = lim x 0 0 \displaystyle \lim_{x\to0} x = \lim_{x\to0} 0 , hence lim x 0 x sin ( x ) = lim x 0 0 sin ( x ) \displaystyle \lim_{x\to0} \frac x{\sin(x)} = \lim_{x\to0} \frac0{\sin(x)} .


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Prasun Biswas
Jun 22, 2015

According to the quotient rule in limits (see here ) , we have,

lim x a f ( x ) g ( x ) = lim x a f ( x ) lim x a g ( x ) if lim x a g ( x ) 0 \lim_{x\to a}\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}=\frac{\displaystyle\lim_{x\to a}f(x)}{\displaystyle\lim_{x\to a}g(x)}\quad\textrm{if}\quad\lim_{x\to a}g(x)\neq 0

In the problem here, it shows an incorrect use of this rule with a = 0 a=0 and g ( x ) = sin x g(x)=\sin x and f ( x ) = x f(x)=x in LHS and f ( x ) = 0 f(x)=0 in RHS. Why is it an incorrect use? Since lim x 0 sin x = 0 \lim\limits_{x\to 0}\sin x=0 which violates the "if" condition of the rule stated above.

Hence, we cannot just shove the limit value like that.


Now, it's easy to show that both the limits exist and are finite, so I'm heading straight to evaluating them.


First, let's evaluate the limit on the left side of the equation.

Approach 1:

Recall the Maclaurin series of sin x \sin x . We have,

sin x = k = 0 ( 1 ) k x 2 k + 1 ( 2 k + 1 ) ! \sin x=\sum_{k=0}^\infty(-1)^k\frac{x^{2k+1}}{(2k+1)!}

Hence, we have, when x 0 x\to 0 ,

sin x = x x 3 3 ! + O ( x 5 ) sin x x = 1 x 2 3 ! + O ( x 4 ) = 1 lim x 0 sin x x = 1 lim x 0 x sin x = 1 lim x 0 sin x x = 1 1 = 1 \sin x=x-\frac{x^3}{3!}+\mathcal{O}(x^5)\\\implies \frac{\sin x}{x}=1-\frac{x^2}{3!}+\mathcal{O}(x^4)=1\\ \implies \lim_{x\to 0}\frac{\sin x}{x}=1\implies \lim_{x\to 0}\frac{x}{\sin x}=\frac{1}{\displaystyle\lim_{x\to 0}\dfrac{\sin x}{x}}=\frac 11=1

Approach 2:

This limit can also be proved to be 1 1 using L'Hopital rule as follows:

lim x 0 x sin x = lim x 0 1 cos x = 1 cos 0 = 1 1 = 1 \lim_{x\to 0}\frac{x}{\sin x}=\lim_{x\to 0}\frac{1}{\cos x}=\frac{1}{\cos 0}=\frac 11=1


Now, moving onto the second limit, it's relatively simple. We have,

lim x 0 0 sin x = lim x 0 0 = 0 \lim_{x\to 0}\frac{0}{\sin x}=\lim_{x\to 0}0=0

Note that when x 0 x\to 0 , we have sin x 0 \sin x\neq 0 so there is no indeterminate case.


Now, since we found out both the limits, we can see that the question states 1 = 0 1=0 which is obviously false. Hence the answer. _\square


Note: O ( ) ~~\mathcal{O}(\cdot) denotes Big-O Notation.

Thanks! I updated the question to get at the root of what I wanted to originally. IE "when can we substitute in the limit value".

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 11 months ago

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Do I need to edit my solution then?

Prasun Biswas - 5 years, 11 months ago

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Yes please.

Focus on "Under what conditions can we substitute the limiting value into the expression?"

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 11 months ago

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@Calvin Lin Done! Let me know if this is what you wanted.

Prasun Biswas - 5 years, 11 months ago

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@Prasun Biswas Great! That's the condition to check!

Otherwise, we have a 0 0 \frac{0}{0} indeterminate form that we will have to evaluate.


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Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 11 months ago

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@Calvin Lin That's a different quotient rule (the derivative one). I'm mentioning the one for limits.

EDIT: I have reverted it back to include the link to the quotient rule for limits.

Prasun Biswas - 5 years, 11 months ago

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@Prasun Biswas Oh yes you're right. It should actually be product of limits, with the proper conditions. Sorry!

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 11 months ago

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@Calvin Lin No worries. :)

Prasun Biswas - 5 years, 11 months ago

I would like to point out that you can't compute the limit of type sin ( x ) / x \sin(x)/x for x x approaching zero by l'Hospital's rule because you would use circular argument. Let me explain.

lim x 0 sin ( x ) x \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{\sin(x)}{x} is indeed type 0 / 0 0/0 limit so you can use the l'Hospital's rule, but if you apply it you get: lim x 0 ( sin ( x ) ) x \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{(\sin(x))'}{x'} , where ( sin ( x ) ) x = 0 = lim h 0 sin ( 0 + h ) sin ( 0 ) h = lim h 0 sin ( h ) h (\sin(x))'|_{x=0} = \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{\sin(0+h) - \sin(0)}{h} = \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{\sin(h)}{h}

So you're computing the limit assuming you already know the answer.

V N - 5 years, 11 months ago

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Hm? You would get lim cos x 1 = lim cos x = 1 \lim \frac{ \cos x } { 1 } = \lim \cos x = 1 .

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 11 months ago

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Yes, but how do you know the derivative of sine? By computing this very limit.

V N - 5 years, 11 months ago

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@V N Oh, now I understand what you mean. I was confused with where you were going with it.

Yes, to avoid having a circular argument, we will need another way to derive either
1) The derivative of sin x \sin x , or
2) The value of lim sin x x \lim \frac{ \sin x }{ x}

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 11 months ago

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@Calvin Lin Exactly :)

V N - 5 years, 11 months ago

@Calvin Lin Well, I guess we still have Approach 1.

Prasun Biswas - 5 years, 11 months ago

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@Prasun Biswas Oh, my favorite approach for this fact is the squeeze (geometric) theorem, which shows that lim sin x x = 1 \lim \frac{ \sin x } { x } = 1 and lim tan x x = 1 \lim \frac{ \tan x } { x } = 1 .

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 11 months ago
David Williams
Oct 5, 2015

0/k where k --> 0 but k > 0 will alway yield 0

Sakib Shahriar
Jun 24, 2015

x=0

sinx=sin0=0

(x/sinx)=(0/0)

so ,it is not right.....

Efren Medallo
Jun 22, 2015

By L'Hopital's rule, we can see that the LHS can be changed to l i m x 0 1 c o s ( x ) lim_{x\to0} \frac{1}{cos (x)} , which equals 1. On the other hand, the limit on the RHS is a constant 0. And there you have it!

Thanks! I updated the question to get at the root of what I wanted to originally. IE "when can we substitute in the limit value".

That was the error made by the solutions in the Inspiration problem.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 11 months ago

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