River Crossing

Algebra Level 5

Two boats are crossing the river from opposite sides.
When they first meet, they are 720 feet from the near shore.
When they reach the opposite shores, they immediately turn around.
The second time that they meet is 400 feet from the far shore.
How wide is the river (in feet)?


The answer is 1760.

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9 solutions

Satyen Nabar
Mar 8, 2014

This is indeed a famous problem posed by Sam Loyd. When the boats meet the first time, together they cover one width of the river. Of that one boat that started from near shore has traveled 720 ft. When the two boats meet the second time, together they cover three times the width. So that boat has covered 720*3= 2160 feet. Now2160- 400 feet(from far shore) will give width of river=1760.

In 1st case, nearer shore is 720 ft. therefore, the other shore is more than 720 ft. so, width>1440ft. In 2nd case, the far shore is 400ft. therefore, the other shore is nearer than 400ft. so, width<800ft. How is it possible? pls reply.

Arka Sourav - 7 years, 3 months ago

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the shores are seen from the perpective of someone standing at or near one of the shores.He is stationary and for him,the shore where he is standing will be the near one while the other one will be the far shore.

Akashdeep Singh - 7 years, 3 months ago

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there is no fixed reference point, the reference point is the point of meeting of 2 boats. then what did u mean, i didn't understand.!!

Arka Sourav - 7 years, 3 months ago

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@Arka Sourav The reference point is NOT the point of meeting of boats.The wording of the question is confusing.The reference point is actually a stationary point on one of the coasts.The coast at which the point is located is the near coast while the other coast is the far one.Try doing this problem taking this reference point.In fact,replace the words "near shore" with "shore 1" and the words"far shore" with "shore 2" in the problem.This will make the problem easier to understand.

Akashdeep Singh - 7 years, 2 months ago

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@Akashdeep Singh THANKS A LOT!!!

Arka Sourav - 7 years, 2 months ago

question hasn't been put in words properly... very bad!!!!

Muhammad Haroon - 7 years, 2 months ago

I am very sad that Best of Algebra re-shared it without crediting Sam Loyd...

Peter Finn - 7 years, 3 months ago

Only one of the boat traveled 720ft, then you computed total dist covered as 3 720. It should be 3 width where width is definitely greater than 720ft. Please clarify.

Anil Baratam - 7 years, 3 months ago
Bandhar Sunga
Mar 12, 2014

The first time they met (Point A), they traveled 1 width of the river in total.

The second time they met (Point B), they already traveled 3 widths of the river in total.

----------->A <------

<----------- ------> (turn around)

------> B<-----------

Thus, it took them three times the distance they traveled in the first encounter.

One of the boat traveled 720 feet in the first encounter.

The boat should have traveled 2160 feet (720 times 3) in the second encounter.

We know that the boat already traveled 1 width of the river plus another 400 feet.

So, let x be the width of the river.

x + 400 = 2160

x = 1760 feet

Madhavan Daksh
Mar 8, 2014

With absolute basics - A little lengthy solution provided below :P

Let w be the width of the river

At first point of meeting, Boat 1 has traveled 720 ft, and lets assume Boat 2 has traveled x ft [720 + x = w]

At second point of meeting, Boat 1 has covered an extra distance of x + 400 while Boat 2 has traveled a distance of 720 + (w-400) = 1040 + x

Equating the ratio of their speeds, we get (x+1040)/(x+400) = x/720 which leads to

x^2 - 320x - 1040 * 720 = 0

x^2 - 1040x + 720x - 1040 * 720 = 0

(x-1040)(x+720) = 0

x = 1040

w = 1040 + 720 = 1760 Hurraaahhh

Hosam Hajjir
Mar 30, 2014

Assuming the speeds of the two boats are v1 and v2 which they maintain throughout.

First time the boats meet at time t1, at which point we have

v1 (t1) = 720

v2 (t1) = d - 720

Second time the boats meet at time t2, at which point we have

v1 (t2) = d + 400

v2 (t2) = d + d - 400 = 2d - 400

Eliminating t1 from the first set of equations:

v2 (720/v1) = d - 720

which can be written as

(v2/v1) (720) = d - 720.......................(1)

Eliminating t2 from the second set of equations:

v2 ( d + 400 ) / v1 = 2d - 400..............(2)

Substituting (v2/v1) from (1) into (2)

(d + 400) (d - 720)/720 = 2d - 400

Expanding...

d^2 - 320 d - 288000 = 1440 d - 288000

d = 1440 + 320 = 1760

Rab Gani
Mar 8, 2014

Let the wide of the river is w. Let the boat A covers the distant 720 ft, at first crossing.At the second crossing, boat A will cover 2(720). So 2(720) = w-720 + 400.Then w=1760 ft.

It does not necessarily mean that the time it takes for the first time the two boats cross is the same as the second time. Hence, your point is invalid??

Wooil Jung - 7 years, 3 months ago
Nandhini S
Mar 26, 2014

When they meet the 1st time Boat A crossed 720 ft Boat B crossed (W-720) ft

When they meet the 2nd time: Boat A has crossed (W-720) + 400 = W-320 ft Boat B has crossed 720 + (W-400) = W+320 ft

Assuming they travelled @ same speed then 720/(w-720) = (w-320)/(w+320)

on solving we get 1760

Vivek Singh
Mar 11, 2014

Let the speed of 1 boat = x. Width of river = z. When they first meet, distance from nearer shore = 720, distance from farthest shore = z-720. Time taken by both the boats to cover their respective distance is same. Hence speed of 2 boat = y = [z - 720]x/720. For second meeting, distance travelled by 1 boat = z - 320, and by 2 boat = z + 320 and time taken is also same. Hence, the expression comes, [z - 320]/x = [z + 320]720/[z - 320]x

solving, Z = 1760

Aditya Joshi
Mar 10, 2014

Let the speed of the first (faster) boat be v 1 v_1 and the speed of the second (slower) boat be v 2 v_2 . Let the width of the river be d d .

We can equate the time that they meet for the first time because it is equal for both. The first (faster) boat travels a distance of d 720 d - 720 with speed v 1 v_1 and the second (slower) boat travels 720 720 with speed v 2 v_2 .

Thus, 720 v 2 = d 720 v 1 \Rightarrow \dfrac{720}{v_2} = \dfrac{d - 720}{v_1} or v 1 v 2 = d 720 720 \Rightarrow \dfrac{v_1}{v_2} = \dfrac{d-720}{720}

Now, for the second condition.

At the time they meet for the second time, the first boat covers a distance of d 720 + 720 + d 400 = 2 d 400 d - 720 + 720 + d - 400 = 2d - 400 with speed v 1 v_1 and the second boat covers a distance of 720 + d 720 + 400 = d + 400 720 + d - 720 + 400 = d + 400 with a speed of v 2 v_2 .

Thus,

d + 400 v 2 = 2 d 400 v 1 \Rightarrow \dfrac{d+400}{v_2} = \dfrac{2d - 400}{v_1}

or

v 1 ( d + 400 ) = v 2 ( 2 d 400 ) \Rightarrow v_1(d+400) = v_2(2d - 400)

or

v 1 v 2 = 2 d 400 d + 400 \Rightarrow \dfrac{v_1}{v_2} = \dfrac{2d - 400}{d+400}

Now we already know what v 1 v 2 \dfrac{v_1}{v_2} is from the first condition. We substitute that here which gives us

d 720 720 = 2 d 400 d + 400 \Rightarrow \dfrac{d-720}{720} = \dfrac{2d - 400}{d + 400}

Solving this quadratic gives us d = 0 d = 0 and d = 1760 d = 1760 . Since the distance is obviously > 0 > 0 , we get d = 1760 \boxed{d = 1760}

Wooil Jung
Mar 9, 2014

Let us say that the faster boat A travels a (ft/s), and boat B travels b (ft/s) Also, let the width of the river be x feet. The time it takes for the 2 boats to meet the first time is x/(a+b) The time it takes for the 2 boats to meet the second time is 3x(a+b) Hence, we get the two equations: {x/(a+b)} b = 720 {3x/(a+b)} b=x+400

When solved: bx=720(a+b)........................A 3bx=(400+x)(a+b) 3A = 3bx = 2160(a+b)=(x+400)(a+b)

Therefore, we can get the equation x+400=2160, and the answer: x=1760

In 1st case, nearer shore is 720 ft. therefore, the other shore is more than 720 ft. so, width>1440ft. In 2nd case, the far shore is 400ft. therefore, the other shore is nearer than 400ft. so, width<800ft. How is it possible? pls reply

Arka Sourav - 7 years, 3 months ago

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I believe that it is a wrong wording, because it IS impossible if it is the 'far' shore. It could be the far shore if the viewpoint was from the other side, though

Wooil Jung - 7 years, 3 months ago

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what do u mean?

Arka Sourav - 7 years, 3 months ago

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