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e , π \Large \color{#3D99F6}{e},~~ \color{#20A900}{\pi}

Find the lowest common multiple (LCM) of the two numbers above.


Details and Assumptions :

  • If you think that the existence of this LCM is unknown to humans, submit "Does not exist" as your answer.
  • If you think that it is extremely close to zero, but not zero, then you may press "0".
  • If you think that it is extremely close to one, but not one, then you may press "1".
0 1 e + π e+\pi e π e\pi 22 e 7 \frac { 22e }{ 7 } A transcendental number that cannot be shown using the standard mathematical constants and functions. Does not exist.

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3 solutions

Archit Boobna
May 11, 2015

The definition of LCM says that we need to find the smallest positive value k k , such that k e \frac { k }{ e } and k π \frac { k }{ \pi } are integers.

Let's assume that k e = p \frac { k }{ e } =p and k π = q \frac { k }{ \pi } =q so both p p and q q are non-zero integers.

Dividing the 1st equation by the 2nd, we get k π k e = p q \frac { k\pi }{ ke } =\frac { p }{ q }

As k k is positive and non-zero, we can cancel it.

π e = p q \frac { \pi }{ e } =\frac { p}{ q }

This means that this LCM will exist only if the above equation is possible.

The above equation just means that π e \frac { \pi }{ e } is a rational number, the authenticity of which is not known, so the existence of this LCM is unknown .

So as per the question, the required option is Does not exist .


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Nice solution!

Sravanth C. - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Thanks! :)

Archit Boobna - 6 years, 1 month ago

Perfect solution, upvoted.

Venkata Karthik Bandaru - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Thanks! :)

Archit Boobna - 6 years, 1 month ago
Sravanth C.
May 11, 2015

The heading perfectly suits the question, as for the answer, here it is:

It is possible to find the LCM of 2 like irrationals, i.e. irrational numbers of the same kind. We can't find theLCM for two different irrational numbers.

Moderator note:

What do you mean by "irrational numbers of the same kind"?

I suppose that two same kind of irrational numbers means for eg:- e e and 2 e 2e can have a LCM whereas as stated in the question above, e e and π \pi are two different kinds of irrational numbers which cannot have a LCM. I think both Sravanth and Sandeep Bhardwaj sir have proved this fact earlier...

Parag Zode - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Yes sir, that's what I meant.

Sravanth C. - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Btw who is the challenge master ? Is it Calvin Lin sir or any JEE scholar ?

Parag Zode - 6 years, 1 month ago

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@Parag Zode It's Calvin sir, see this and the comments to my answer provides a proof, sir.

Sravanth C. - 6 years, 1 month ago

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@Sravanth C. Yaa, I saw the comments. He (calvin) literally came out of the shell as challenge master.. ¨ \ddot\smile

Parag Zode - 6 years, 1 month ago

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@Parag Zode Yeah . . . ¨ \huge \ddot \smile

Sravanth C. - 6 years, 1 month ago
Stewart Gordon
May 17, 2015

Interestingly, you could look at the concept of LCM in another way: as the least upper bound of a set of numbers under the "divides" partial order relation. Since every number divides 0, if you go by this definition then the LCM of any pair of incommensurable numbers is 0.

But sadly this doesn't seem to be covered by any of the standard definitions of LCM, which are to the effect of "smallest positive number that is an integer multiple of the given numbers" rather than based on LUB by the partial order.

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