Is it a perfect blend of Mechanics and Calculus?

A solid spherical ball is placed carefully on the edge of a table in the position shown in the figure. The coefficient of static friction and kinetic friction between the ball and the edge of the table is 0.5 . It is then given a very slight push. It begins to fall off the table.

Find the angle (in degrees) turned by the ball before it looses contact with the edge.

Details and Assumptions :

1) Find the angle with the vertical.

2) Before solving this try this .

3) You may use WolframAlpha if you want.

Image credit---Pratik's Ball don't fall. .


The answer is 52.71.

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2 solutions

Satvik Pandey
Jan 30, 2015

I have already asked you all in the question to try this before attempting this question.

So here I am not writing the equations which can be found by using FBD's and energy conservation. But I am uploading FBD's which are quite helpful.

Let θ \theta be the angle with the vertical at which the ball is slipping and rotating together. But the CoM of the sphere still performs circular motion about the edge. Let the tangential velocity and the acceleration of the CoM at that particular angle θ \theta be v v and a a respectively. Let ω \omega be the angular velocity of the CoM of the ball about the edge.

So I have 2 equations-

m g c o s θ N = m v 2 r mgcos\theta -N=m\frac { { v }^{ 2 } }{ r } .............(1)

and m g s i n θ μ N = m a \\ mgsin\theta -\mu N=ma

From eq(1) m g c o s θ m v 2 r = N mgcos\theta -m\frac { { v }^{ 2 } }{ r }= N

or and m g s i n θ μ ( m g c o s θ m v 2 r ) = m a \\ mgsin\theta -\mu (mgcos\theta -m\frac { { v }^{ 2 } }{ r })=ma

So m g s i n θ μ ( m g c o s θ m v 2 r ) = m d v d t \\ mgsin\theta -\mu (mgcos\theta -m\frac { { v }^{ 2 } }{ r })=m\frac{dv}{dt}

or m g s i n θ μ ( m g c o s θ m v 2 r ) = m d v d θ ω \\ mgsin\theta -\mu (mgcos\theta -m\frac { { v }^{ 2 } }{ r })=m\frac{dv}{d \theta} \omega

But ω = v r \omega=\frac { v }{ r }

NOTE--Here v is the tangential velocity of the CoM at angle θ \theta and ω \omega is the angular velocity of the CoM of the ball about the edge and the ball is doing circular motion about the edge. So we can use this equation v = r ω v=r \omega

So m g s i n θ μ ( m g c o s θ m v 2 r ) = m v d v r d θ mgsin\theta -\mu (mgcos\theta -m\frac { { v }^{ 2 } }{ r } )=m\frac { vdv }{ rd\theta }

Let v 2 = x { v }^{ 2 }=x So 2 v d v = d x 2vdv=dx

So g s i n θ μ ( g c o s θ x r ) = d x 2 r d θ gsin\theta -\mu (gcos\theta -\frac { x }{ r } )=\frac { dx }{ 2rd\theta }

d x 2 r d θ = g s i n θ μ g c o s θ + μ x r \frac { dx }{ 2rd\theta } =gsin\theta -\mu gcos\theta +\mu \frac { x }{ r }

d x d θ 2 μ x + 2 r g ( μ c o s θ s i n θ ) = 0 \frac { dx }{ d\theta } -2\mu x+2rg(\mu cos\theta -sin\theta )=0

Here I F = e d θ = e θ IF=e^{\int-d\theta}=e^{-\theta}

x e θ = e θ { 2 r g ( s i n θ μ c o s θ ) } d θ x{ e }^{ -\theta }=\int { { e }^{ -\theta } } \left\{ 2rg(sin\theta -\mu cos\theta ) \right\} d\theta

x e θ = 2 r g e θ { ( s i n θ μ c o s θ ) } d θ x{ e }^{ -\theta }=2rg\int { { e }^{ -\theta } } \left\{ (sin\theta -\mu cos\theta ) \right\} d\theta

x e θ = 2 r g e θ { ( s i n θ μ c o s θ ) } d θ x{ e }^{ -\theta }=2rg\int { { e }^{ -\theta } } \left\{ (sin\theta -\mu cos\theta ) \right\} d\theta

x e θ = 2 r g e θ s i n θ d θ μ e θ c o s θ d θ x{ e }^{ -\theta }=2rg\int { { e }^{ -\theta } } sin\theta \quad d\theta -\mu \int { { e }^{ -\theta }cos\theta } d \theta

x e θ = 2 r g { e θ ( s i n θ + c o s θ ) 2 1 2 e θ ( s i n θ c o s θ ) 2 } x{ e }^{ -\theta }=2rg\left\{ -\frac { { e }^{ -\theta }\left( sin\theta +cos\theta \right) }{ 2 } -\frac { 1 }{ 2 } \frac { { e }^{ -\theta }\left( sin\theta -cos\theta \right) }{ 2 } \right\}

x e θ = r g e θ { ( s i n θ + c o s θ ) 1 + ( s i n θ c o s θ ) 2 } x{ e }^{ -\theta }=-rg{ e }^{ -\theta }\left\{ \frac { \left( sin\theta +cos\theta \right) }{ 1 } +\frac { \left( sin\theta -cos\theta \right) }{ 2 } \right\}

x e θ = r g e θ { 3 s i n θ + c o s θ 2 } + C x{ e }^{ -\theta }=-rg{ e }^{ -\theta }\left\{ \frac { 3sin\theta +cos\theta }{ 2 } \right\}+C

x = r g { 3 s i n θ + c o s θ 2 } + C e θ x=-rg\left\{ \frac { 3sin\theta +cos\theta }{ 2 } \right\} +{ Ce }^{ \theta }

We can find the value of C by finding x at angle 43.82 deg.

So

7 10 r v 2 = g ( 1 c o s θ ) \frac { 7 }{ 10r } { v }^{ 2 }=g(1-cos\theta ) I got this from equation energy conservation-

Putting g=9.8 θ = 41.82 \theta=41.82 I got v 2 = 3.56 r v^{2}=3.56r

Now the the solution differential equation was

x = r g { 3 s i n θ + c o s θ 2 } + C e θ . x=-rg\left\{ \frac { 3sin\theta +cos\theta }{ 2 } \right\} +{ Ce }^{ \theta }.

where x = v 2 x=v^{2}

So at θ = 41.82 \theta=41.82 v 2 v^{2} is 3.56 r 3.56r

So putting values I got

3.56 r = r g { 3 s i n ( 41.82 ) + c o s ( 41.82 ) 2 } + 2.72 0.73 C 3.56r=-rg\left\{ \frac { 3sin(41.82)+cos(41.82) }{ 2 } \right\} +{ 2.72 }^{ 0.73 }C

So the value of C = 8.20 r C=8.20r

So v 2 = r g ( ( 3 s i n θ + c o s θ ) 2 ) + 8.20 r e θ { v }^{ 2 }=-rg\left( \frac { (3sin\theta +cos\theta ) }{ 2 } \right) +8.20r{ e }^{ \theta }

or v 2 r = g ( ( 3 s i n θ + c o s θ ) 2 ) + 8.20 e θ \frac { { v }^{ 2 } }{ r } =-g\left( \frac { (3sin\theta +cos\theta ) }{ 2 } \right) +8.20{ e }^{ \theta }

but v 2 r = g c o s θ \frac { { v }^{ 2 } }{ r } =gcos\theta (got this relation from the equation for the moment at which ball looses contact with the cliff)

or g c o s θ = g ( ( 3 s i n θ + c o s θ ) 2 ) + 8.20 e θ gcos\theta =-g\left( \frac { (3sin\theta +cos\theta ) }{ 2 } \right) +8.20{ e }^{ \theta }

Now according to WolframAlpha the answer is 52.71 52.71 .

Note I have found constant of integration by finding velocity of the CoM at angle 41.82. Actually at angle 41.82 the ball starts to slip on the edge. So at that particular moment limiting value of static friction acts on the ball. So μ = 0.5 \mu=0.5 at that particular moment. After that moment the ball begins to slip so kinetic friction acts on the ball μ k = 0.5 = μ \mu_{k}=0.5=\mu .

We can not find the constant by by finding velocity of the CoM at angle 0 deg. . This is because in that differential equation I have substituted μ = 0.5 \mu=0.5 and the value μ s \mu_{s} became equal to 0.5 at angle 41.82.

satvik pandey - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Really This is very Good extension of Pratik's Problem . Good Job ! And The Link of It's Previous Part , helps me To use Previous Result directly . which reduced My Time . But Still I solved it in second attempt , due to wrong serious calculation's .

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Thanks bro! I made sure that I post this question before the end of January because you were going to take off from brilliant for jee preparation. Best of luck for JEE. :D :)

satvik pandey - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Satvik Pandey I think It was Probably My 1001th solved Problem . Yes Ratings are good in absloute terms. It is really good Blending of Mechanics and calculus and Lot's of Patience :) . And Yes This is most probably Last day on brilliant , But I will Surly Back in May. And Really Thanks for wishes Pandey Ji ¨ \ddot\smile .

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Deepanshu Gupta Thank you and Good Luck! :)

satvik pandey - 6 years, 4 months ago

Was this your 1000th solved problem?

According to you, what should be the rating of this question? :)

satvik pandey - 6 years, 4 months ago
Jitender Sharma
Oct 2, 2018

Extremely poor solution Cos (theta)=10/17

Hey I'm getting 1° difference by costheta=10/17 one

Ayush Kumar - 5 months ago

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