We know that 4 times 4 × 4 × 4 × 4 = 4 4 .
But how many 4 4 are there in the left side of the equality How many times? 4 4 × 4 4 × ⋯ × 4 4 = 4 ( 4 4 ) ?
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This problem is similar to last week's in attempting to get the solver to use an invalid exponent rule. The specific rule is
( a b ) c = ( a c ) b
not
a ( b c ) = a ( c b )
So while ( 4 4 ) 4 has 4 copies of 4 4 , 4 ( 4 4 ) does not.
It may be helpful to remember this applies to other non-commutative operations like subtraction. For example, 1 0 − ( 9 − 1 ) = 2 but 1 0 − ( 1 − 9 ) = 1 8 .
Neat algebraic solution. I like it.
Good for you. I misread the problem: careless. It reminds me of my first math professor in college. He said, "Read the problem." That quiclky became RTP. And that, after several more errors of the same sort became RTGDP.
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What does RTGDP mean?
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Read The Gosh Darn (euphemism) Problem
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@Brian Egedy – I think it's the lack of sleep during my finals which made me first think you're referring to a problem called "Gosh Darn"... Don't understand how I can understand complex math problems but fail to understand simple sentences lol
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@Anshul Laikar – English and Math are separate skill sets. No worries.
@Brian Egedy – Hey you just taught me a new word
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@Chase Marangu – Always learning, always moving forward. Which word was it?
I suppose it is "read the god damn problem."
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@Chew-Seong Cheong – hahaha oh that makes sense, thanks
256 requires 4 times 4 So 256×256×256×256=? 4 hex (4+4+4+4) Means ans is 16
4 4 4 = 4 2 5 6 = ( 4 4 ) 6 4
So the answer is 64.
Can you expand on this? I mean, I believe you, but how do you know this to be true?
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Don't know what you mean exactly. I just used basic rules for powers.
What he wrote can be seen as two equalities, 4^4^4 = 4^256 and 4^256 = (4^4)^64
to solve the first one, we could imagine the priorities as the latter two 4's in a parentheses, 4^(4^4) and 4^4=256, so it's the same as writing 4^256
for the second equality,
(a^b)^c = a^(b*c) this is because "b" and "c" only tell you how many times to multiply "a".
for example (5^2)^3 = (5 5)^3 = (5 5) (5 5) (5 5) = 5 5 5 5 5 5 = 5^6 (and 2 3 = 6)
so, 4^256 = 4^(4*64) = (4^4)^64
This one's better for me to understand so thanks
Yeah, I like this explanation because of how simple it is. All I really did was find out how much 4^4 is (which is 256) and then divide that by 4 to get 64.
Let's answer this question more generally for N times n n × n n × ⋯ × n n = n n n . Taking the n -logarithm on both sides, the multiplication becomes addition: N times n + n + ⋯ + n = n n . Thus N n = n n ∴ N = n n n = n n − 1 . In this case, N = 4 4 − 1 = 4 3 = 6 4 .
By toxology/shotgun approximation (substituting the available answers) :
4^^4^^4=~1.3E154
256^^16=~3E38
256^^256=~3E616
256^^64=~1.3E154 ;! gotcha!
good explanation .. thanks
This is how I was taught to solve. Thanks
(4^4)^n=4^(4^4) => log(4^4)^n=log(4^(4^4)) => 4n log(4) = (4^4) log(4) => 4n=256 => n=64
OK 4 exp 256, so one 4 exp you have to take back to get the 4 exp 4 leaves 64 4 exp 4's
4 4 4 = 4 4 × 4 3 = ( 4 4 ) 4 3
And so the factor 4 4 is repeated 4 3 = 4 × 4 × 4 = 6 4 times.
4 − 1 = 3 and it is to the 4 1 more time I see
Say that there are x terms on the left side of the equation.
Using the rules of exponents, we know a m × a n = a m + n
Getting rid of the base, we can set up an equation: 4 x = 4 4 = 2 5 6
If we divide x from both sides, we get the solution x = 6 4 .
Note: the left side of the first equation is saying that there are x 4's that are being added together.
Maybe if you divide 4 on both sides?
4 ( 4 4 ) = 4 4 ⋅ 4 ⋅ 4 ⋅ 4 = ( 4 4 ) 4 3 = ( 4 4 ) 6 4
Since 4 4 is 2 5 6 , by the product rule 4 2 5 6 would be the answer 6 4 .
4 4 = 6 4
4 × 4 × … 4 × 4 6 4
So, as always 6 4
4 ( 4 4 ) = 4 2 5 6 = ( 4 4 ) 2 5 6 / 4 = 4 6 4
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It's actually quite simple once you break it down : 4(2) = 4x4 =16 4(3) = 4x4x4 = 64. n =64
We just went over a concept just like this in my algebra 2/ trig class (I'm still in high school). If I'm being honest I don't really know what I did but I got the answer right so I guess there's that going for me.
Using the Natural exponent definition from the introduction, the left side becomes
(4^4)^n
= 4^(4*n) = 4^(4^4)
So,
4*n = 4^4
n = 4^3 = 64
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Let the number of 4 4 on the LHS be n . Then:
Number of 4 4 = n 4 4 × 4 4 × 4 4 × ⋯ × 4 4 4 4 + 4 + 4 + ⋯ + 4 Number of 4 = n 4 4 n ⟹ 4 n n = 4 4 4 = 4 4 4 = 4 4 4 = 4 4 = 4 3 = 6 4