Is it geometry?

Geometry Level 4

{ x 2 + y 2 = z 2 y 2 y z + z 2 = x 2 z 2 + k z x + x 2 = y 2 \begin{cases} { x }^{ 2 }+{ y }^{ 2 }={ z }^{ 2 } \\ { y }^{ 2 }-yz+{ z }^{ 2 }={ x }^{ 2 } \\ { z }^{ 2 }+k·zx+{ x }^{ 2 }={ y }^{ 2 } \end{cases}

Let x x , y y , z z positive numbers the satisfy the system of equations above.

If this system has at least one solution, what is the value of k k ?


The answer is -1.732.

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Ayush Garg
Apr 10, 2015

Consider x,y,z to be the sides of a right triangle with z as hypotenuse ... 2nd condition implies that angle between sides z and y =60 degrees (cosine rule).

Now Apply cosine cosine rule to y 2 y^2 i.e

y 2 = x 2 + z 2 3 x z y^2 = x^2 + z^2 - \sqrt{3} xz . So k = -1.732

The algebraic solution is easy but this one is elegant :)

Aalap Shah - 6 years, 2 months ago

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Thnx. Aalap Shah

Ayush Garg - 6 years, 2 months ago

Please, show my mistake because i think that this equation has no solutions: using only the first two equations, you obtain x^2 = 3y^2 and this show that the equation is impossible!

Prakhar Gupta
Apr 10, 2015

We can replace z 2 z^{2} in second equation from first equation. y 2 y z + x 2 + y 2 = x 2 y^{2}-yz+ x^{2} + y^{2}=x^{2} y ( 2 y z ) = 0 y(2y-z)=0 Since x , y , z x,y,z are + v e +ve numbers, therefore y 0 y\ne 0 . z = 2 y z=2y y = z 2 y = \dfrac{z}{2} Again we can replace z 2 z^{2} in third equation from first equation. x 2 + y 2 + k z x + x 2 = y 2 x^{2}+y^{2} + kzx+x^{2}=y^{2} x ( 2 x + k z ) = 0 x(2x+kz)=0 Again with the same logic as before, we can claim that (x\ne 0). x = k z 2 x = \dfrac{-kz}{2} We can replace these new found values of x x and y y in first equaion. z 2 2 + k 2 z 2 4 = z 2 \dfrac{z^{2}}{2} + \dfrac{k^{2}z^{2}}{4} = z^{2} 1 + k 2 = 4 1+ k^{2} = 4 k = ± 3 k=\pm \sqrt{3} But k k has to v e -ve as x x is + v e +ve . Hence k = 3 k=-\sqrt{3} .

Please, show my mistake because i think that this equation has no solutions: using only the first two equations, you obtain x^2 = 3y^2 and this show that the equation is impossible!

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Can you please elaborate your method with which you reached your conclusion?

Prakhar Gupta - 6 years ago

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Dear Prakhar Gupta: Thanks for your attention:

x 2 + y 2 = z 2 x^2 + y^2 = z^2 (1)

y 2 y z + z 2 = x 2 y^2 - yz +z^2 = x^2 (2)

From (1): z 2 x 2 = y 2 z^2 - x^2 = y^2 (3)

From (2): z 2 x 2 = y z y 2 z^2 - x^2 = yz - y^2 (4)

From (3) and (4): y 2 = y z y 2 y^2 = yz - y^2 (5)

From (5) and y not null, z = 2 y z = 2y (6)

From (6) in (1): x 2 = 3 y 2 x^2 = 3y^2 , which is impossible, as x and y are integers.

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@Carlos Eddy Esaguy Nehab Your procedure is absolutely correct, but I didn't see where in the question it is mentioned that x , y x, y are integers.

The question states that x , y , z x,y,z are positive numbers, not positive integers. Positive numbers can be irrational too.

Prakhar Gupta - 6 years ago

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@Prakhar Gupta Dear Prakhar Gupta. You are correct! Nothing about integers... Rsrsrsr Thanks

{ x 2 + y 2 = z 2 . . . . ( 1 ) y 2 y z + z 2 = x 2 . . . . ( 2 ) z 2 + k z x + x 2 = y 2 . . . . ( 3 ) S u b s t i t u t i n g z f r o m ( 1 ) i n ( 2 ) w e g e t 2 y 2 = y z , z = 2 y , . . . . ( 4 ) y 0. F r o m ( 4 ) a n d ( 1 ) x 2 = 3 y 2 . . . . ( 5 ) S u b s t i t u t i n g y a n d z f r o m ( 5 ) a n d ( 4 ) i n ( 3 ) w e g e t , 4 y 2 ± 2 3 k y 2 + 3 y 2 = y 2 . . . . ( 6 ) 3 y 2 = ± 3 k y 2 . k = ± 3 . P u t i n g t h e s e v a l u e s i n ( 6 ) , w e s e e t h a t k = 3 = 1.732 . \begin{cases} { x }^{ 2 }+{ y }^{ 2 }={ z }^{ 2 }....(1) \\ { y }^{ 2 }-yz+{ z }^{ 2 }={ x }^{ 2 }....(2) \\ { z }^{ 2 }+k·zx+{ x }^{ 2 }={ y }^{ 2 }....(3) \end{cases}\\ Substituting~z~from~(1)~in~(2)~we~get~~~2y^2=yz,~~~\implies~z=2y, ....(4)~~y\neq 0.\\ From~(4)~and~(1) ~x^2=3y^2....(5)\\ Substituting~y~and~z~from~(5)~and~(4)~in~(3)~we~get,\\ 4y^2 \pm 2\sqrt3*k*y^2+3y^2=y^2....(6) \\ \implies~3y^2=\pm \sqrt3*k*y^2.\\ \therefore~k=\pm \sqrt3.\\ Puting~ these~values~in~ (6), ~~we~see~that~k=\Large \color{#D61F06}{ - \sqrt3 = - 1.732}. )

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