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Algebra Level 5

What is the necessary condition for the value of b b such that all the complex roots of x 4 8 x 3 + 24 x 2 + b x + c = 0 x^4-8x^3+24x^2+bx+c=0 are positive reals?


The answer is -32.

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1 solution

Otto Bretscher
May 12, 2016

Since f ( x ) = 12 ( x 2 ) 2 0 f''(x)=12(x-2)^2\geq 0 , the graph of f ( x ) f(x) is strictly convex, so that f ( x ) f(x) has at most two simple real roots or at most one real multiple root. Thus we must have f ( x ) = ( x 2 ) 4 = x 4 8 x 3 + 24 x 2 32 x + 16 f(x)=(x-2)^4=x^4-8x^3+24x^2-32x+16 , so that b = 32 b=\boxed{-32} .

that is a very good solution...+1

Ayush G Rai - 5 years, 1 month ago

Why must c = 16 c=16 ?

Pi Han Goh - 5 years ago

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2 must be a root with multiplicity 4, so that the function must be f ( x ) = ( x 2 ) 4 f(x)=(x-2)^4

Otto Bretscher - 5 years ago

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What I mean to say that I could have c = 10 c = 10 and the equation have at least one non-real number .

Pi Han Goh - 5 years ago

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@Pi Han Goh I trust that what Ayush means is that all the complex roots are positive reals. I will add that for clarity.

By the way, Comrade, I know that I owe you (at least) one answer. I'm a little busy (and excited) as I get ready to travel to Cambridge, MA, and then to Cambridge, UK.

Otto Bretscher - 5 years ago

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@Otto Bretscher I don't understand you. All complex roots are positive reals, the converse is not true.

Take your time, there's no hurry to answer my question.

Pi Han Goh - 5 years ago

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@Pi Han Goh Oh I get it now... he writes "necessary" because he does not specify the constant c c . So, "necessary" is necessary after all... I'm not paying attention.

Otto Bretscher - 5 years ago

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