Is the answer infinity?

Calculus Level 3

lim x ( x 2 + 8 x + 1 x ) = ? \large \lim_{x\to\infty} \left( \sqrt{x^2+8x+1} - x \right) = \, ?


The answer is 4.

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Or you can just complete the square: x 2 + 8 x + 1 = ( x + 4 ) 2 15 x ( x + 4 ) 2 = x + 4 \sqrt{x^2 + 8x + 1} = \sqrt{(x+4)^2 - 15} \stackrel{x\to\infty}{\to} \sqrt{(x+4)^2} = x+4 .

Pi Han Goh - 5 years, 3 months ago

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Maybe. See, I'm a tenth standard student. Calculus is not in our syllabus. It is in our next class. I just found calculus interesting so I started it. I gave this question because it was quite interesting. But see, I haven't yet gone too much into calculus yet. So I can't understand your completing square method. I've come across this 'completing square' system in quadratic equations. But I couldn't relate it to calculus. But thanks, :) I will look forward to it in class 11.

Arkajyoti Banerjee - 5 years, 3 months ago

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Okay, think of it this way:

We know that x 2 + 8 x + 1 = x 2 + 8 x + 16 15 = ( x + 4 ) 2 15 x^2 + 8x + 1 = x^2 + 8x + 16 - 15 = (x+4)^2 - 15 . When x x becomes super duper large (in other words, as x x tends to infinity), ( x + 4 ) 2 (x+4)^2 becomes super duper ultra awesome large right? And that super duper ultra awesome large minus a small number of 15 is still a super duper ultra awesome large number right? So we say that for x x becomes unboundedly large, ( x + 4 ) 2 15 ( x + 4 ) 2 (x+4)^2 - 15 \approx (x+4)^2 .

Now, back to the question, we want to evaluate the limit as x x becomes unboundedly large in the positive direction (in other words, as x x tends to \infty ), then x 2 + 8 x + 1 = ( x + 4 ) 2 15 \sqrt{x^2+8x+1} = \sqrt{(x+4)^2 - 15} is approximately equals to ( x + 4 ) 2 \sqrt{(x+4)^2} right? And recall that x 2 = x \sqrt{x^2} = x for positive x x , then we can simplify the expression ( x + 4 ) 2 \sqrt{(x+4)^2} to just x + 4 x+4 instead. But wait, we still need to subtract it by x x right? What's left is just ( x + 4 ) x = 4 (x+4) - x = 4 and that's your answer!


Alternatively, here's another short solution:

Let y = 1 x y = \dfrac 1x , then when x x\to \infty , y 0 y\to 0 , the limit becomes

lim y 0 1 y 2 + 8 y + 1 1 y = lim y 0 1 + 8 y + y 2 1 y \lim_{y\to0} \sqrt{ \dfrac1{y^2} + \dfrac8y + 1} -\dfrac1y= \lim_{y\to0}\dfrac{\sqrt{1+8y+y^2} - 1}y

What's left to do is to apply L'hopital's rule : Differentiate top and bottom (separately) and we get,

lim y 0 2 y + 8 2 1 + 8 y + y 2 = 2 ( 0 ) + 8 2 1 + 8 ( 0 ) + 0 2 = 4 \lim_{y\to0}\dfrac{2y + 8}{2\sqrt{1+8y+y^2}} =\dfrac{2(0) + 8}{2\sqrt{1+8(0)+0^2}} = 4

as well!

Pi Han Goh - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Pi Han Goh Thanx for this wonderful solution!

Arkajyoti Banerjee - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Arkajyoti Banerjee So the catch of this method is that subtracting a small number from an infinitely large number is ignorable while evaluating a function's limit while it tends to infinity, right? Because it hardly affects that infinitely large number

Arkajyoti Banerjee - 5 years, 3 months ago

If ( x + 4 ) 2 \sqrt { ( x + 4 ) ^ { 2 } } , then it is x + 4 | x + 4 | .

. . - 1 month, 1 week ago

@Arkajyoti Banerjee 1 = ± 1 \sqrt { 1 } = \pm 1 . not 1 1 .

. . - 1 month, 1 week ago

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Pi Han Goh - 1 month, 1 week ago

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