ISI B.Math Entrance (7)

Calculus Level 3

{ x y = 1 x 2 y 2 = 1 \large{\begin{cases} xy=1 \\ x^2-y^2=1 \end{cases}}

Find the angle in which these two curves intersect each other.

π 2 \dfrac{\pi}{2} π 4 \dfrac{\pi}{4} π 3 \dfrac{\pi}{3} π 6 \dfrac{\pi}{6}

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2 solutions

Md Zuhair
Apr 15, 2017

We need to find the slope of the 2 lines 1st.

So x y = 1 xy=1

Differentiating w.r.t x x , we get

y + x d y d x = 0 y + x\dfrac{dy}{dx}= 0 \implies d y d x = y x . . . . ( i ) \dfrac{dy}{dx} = \dfrac{-y}{x} .... (i)

Now differentiating x 2 y 2 = 1 x^2-y^2=1 w.r.t x x , we get

2 x 2 y d y d x = 0 \implies 2x - 2y \dfrac{dy}{dx} = 0 d y d x = x y . . . . . . ( i i ) \implies \dfrac{dy}{dx} = \dfrac{x}{y}......(ii)

So ( i ) × ( i i ) (i) \times (ii) y x × x y \implies \dfrac{-y}{x} \times \dfrac{x}{y} 1 \implies -1

So They are perpendicular to each other, or the product of their slopes in 1 -1

So angle between the curves at the point of intersection will be π 2 \dfrac{\pi}{2}

@Tapas Mazumdar , could you do the Steven Chase's Mechanics Problem? I did it a bit, but couldnt finished it

Md Zuhair - 4 years, 1 month ago

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I'm also stuck in a latter part of the problem.

Tapas Mazumdar - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Which part? I have done

Arc lenght from a to b will be a b 1 + e 2 x d x \displaystyle{\int_{a}^{b} \sqrt{1 + e^{-2x}} dx} ?

Then what have you done?

Md Zuhair - 4 years, 1 month ago

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@Md Zuhair Same. I think we both are missing something here.

Tapas Mazumdar - 4 years, 1 month ago

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@Tapas Mazumdar Which direction shall we try out? Horizontal or vertical?

Most probably horizontal will meet the expression's demand!

Md Zuhair - 4 years, 1 month ago

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@Md Zuhair But the acceleration due to gravity acts in the vertical direction only. We have to make a constraint for x x direction.

Tapas Mazumdar - 4 years, 1 month ago

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@Tapas Mazumdar Ya, but that doesnt meets the expressions demand.

See, if we do it in vertical direction itll come

2 g ( e b 1 ) e b 2 g ( e a 1 ) e a = 2 g × t a b . \sqrt{\dfrac{2g(e^b-1)}{e^b}}-\sqrt{\dfrac{2g(e^a-1)}{e^a}}= 2g \times t_{ab}.

So t a b t_{ab} doesnt meets the demands isnt it?

Md Zuhair - 4 years, 1 month ago

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@Md Zuhair i asked him to upload a solution for u @Md Zuhair

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 1 month ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member I got it correct bro

Md Zuhair - 4 years, 1 month ago

@Tapas Mazumdar Can you post a solution for this https://brilliant.org/problems/do-you-need-m/?ref_id=1348822

Md Zuhair - 4 years, 1 month ago

@Tapas Mazumdar, then what i have done is i was finding v a x v_{ax} or v b x v_{bx} , then?

Or in vertical direction, it is quite easy, but it doesnt match with the expression of Steven sir

Md Zuhair - 4 years, 1 month ago

Can you please explain your solution?I could not get it.Thanks!

Harsh Shrivastava - 4 years ago

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He calculated the slope of the tangent at the point of the intersection and observed m 1 m 2 = 1 m_1m_2=-1 which is the condition of perpendicularity.

Nihar Mahajan - 4 years ago

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Ya, thank you so much, Actually i am using phone, so its difficult to write

Md Zuhair - 4 years ago

Thanks, now got it!

Harsh Shrivastava - 4 years ago

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@Harsh Shrivastava If it was not equal to 1 -1 then what should i have done say toh?

Md Zuhair - 4 years ago

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@Md Zuhair I think we should have found the angle between the tangents at the point of intersection.

Harsh Shrivastava - 4 years ago

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@Harsh Shrivastava How? Tell me the meathod. I know we can do it. I am just asking , that if you dont know i will help

Md Zuhair - 4 years ago

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@Md Zuhair Solve for the point of intersection then tangent at point intersection then slopes if them then done!

Harsh Shrivastava - 4 years ago

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@Harsh Shrivastava Ya after finding the slopes, you know what formula we need to apply?

It is simply tan θ = m 1 m 2 1 + m 1 × m 2 \large{\tan \theta = \left|\dfrac{m_1-m_2}{1+m_1 \times m_2}\right|}

Md Zuhair - 4 years ago

@Harsh Shrivastava And hey @Harsh Shrivastava , Do you have whatsapp, We have a group. We can add you there.

Md Zuhair - 4 years ago
Curtis Clement
Jun 27, 2017

Using the grad function on both curves: ( x y ) = ( y , x ) ( x 2 y 2 ) = 2 ( x , y ) \nabla (xy) = (y,x) \quad \nabla (x^2 -y^2) = 2(x,-y) so these are the tangents to the curves x y = 1 \ xy = 1 and x 2 y 2 = 1 \ x^2 -y^2 = 1 respectively (at points (x,y)). Dotting these gives: ( y , x ) ( x , y ) = y x x y = 0 \ (y,x) \cdot (x,-y) = yx - xy = 0 So the curves intersect at right angles, that is, at π 2 \frac{\pi}{2} radians.

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