Given that 1 + x x + 1 + y y + 1 + z z = 2 , where x , y , z are non-negative real numbers, what is the minimal value of x y z ?
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nice solution bro
Good Solution!! @Khang Nguyen Thanh
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expanding 1 + x x + 1 + y y + 1 + z z = 2 we get x y z = x + y + z + 2 . Now we use AM-GM
x y z t 3 0 0 = x + y + z + 2 ≥ 3 3 x y z + 2 = 3 t + 2 where t = 3 x y z ≤ t 3 − 3 t − 2 ≤ ( t + 1 ) 2 ( t − 2 )
because ( t + 1 ) 2 is always positive for all real x , y , z we must have 3 x y z = t ≥ 2 so x y z ≥ 8 and equality occurs when x = y = z = 2
AMHM is only applicable if x,y,z are non-negatives, so you have only shown that min(xyz) = 8 when x,y,z are non-negatives.
How do you know that "min(xyz) < 2" can't be true if at least one of x,y,z is not non-negative reals?
t^3>3t +2
t^3>t+2
t(t+1)(t-1)>2
t>(t(t+1)(t-1))^1/3
t>2^1/3
xyz^1/3>2^1/3
xyz>2
Where I went wrong??
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You have only shown that xyz is greater than 2, but you didn't show that 2 is an attainable value.
First, we note that 1 + x x = 1 − 1 + x 1 and so are the other equations. Then, we have
1 − 1 + x 1 + 1 − 1 + y 1 + 1 − 1 + z 1 = 2
1 + x 1 + 1 + y 1 + 1 + z 1 = 1 .
By AM-HM inequality, we have
3 1 ≥ x + 1 + y + 1 + z + 1 3
Simplify, we have x + y + z ≥ 6 .
Equality occurs when x = y = z = 2 .
Thus, x y z = 2 × 2 × 2 = 8 .
This is wrong.
Simplify, we have x + y + z ≥ 6 . <<<<< This line is correct
Equality occurs, when x = y = z = 2 . <<<< This line is correct
But why x y z = 8 only?
Equality occurs when x = y = 1 , z = 4 , then x y z = 4 gives smaller minimal value than your x y z = 8 .
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I edited my solution. I hope my solution is much better now.. Thank you for your correction..
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Still wrong.
we know that x+y+z >= 6, but does that mean that cuberoot(xyz) >= 2 as well?
Think about it this way: If A >= B and A >= C, does this mean that B>= C is definitely true?
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@Pi Han Goh – Oh, i see. We already have x = y = z = 2 then, x y z = 8 . Isn't it correct?
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@Fidel Simanjuntak – why can't x=y=1, z=4 ==> xyz=4?
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@Pi Han Goh – If x = y = 1 and z = 4 , then the first equation isn't equal to 2.
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@Fidel Simanjuntak – Let me phrase it this way:
It is true that x=y=z=2 satisfy the given equation and gives xyz = 8, but how do you know that there are not other solutions of (x,y,z) that satisfy the given equation and gives a smaller value of xyz?
Right now, you claimed that you have proven it using HM GM, which I've pointed out that it's wrong. Did you know what went wrong here?
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@Pi Han Goh – No. Would you like to correct me? I think, this will be a grwat experience.
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@Fidel Simanjuntak – Okay, your line "x+y+z >= 6 " is the last line in your solution that is correct.
You claimed that because "x+y+z>= 6", then by AMGM, xyz>= 8", but that is completely not justified.
First of all, let A = x + y + z and B = x y z , then by AMGM, 3 A ≥ 3 B , correct?
So, if you simplify this inequality, you get 8 ≥ x y z , not 8 ≤ x y z .
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@Pi Han Goh – So, is there any other mistake? I edited my solution.
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@Fidel Simanjuntak – No, it's still wrong. Read this line again:
It is true that x=y=z=2 satisfy the given equation and gives xyz = 8, but how do you know that there are not other solutions of (x,y,z) that satisfy the given equation and gives a smaller value of xyz?
Right now, you have only demonstrated that with ( x , y , z ) = ( 2 , 2 , 2 ) gives x y z = 8 . But how do you know that there isn't another triplet of ( x , y , z ) such that x y z < 8 ?
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@Pi Han Goh – Honestly, i don't know how. I'm not good at inequalities problem, that's why i still got a lot to learn. Can you help me?
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@Fidel Simanjuntak – I'm saying that your solution is wrong all along, and it's impossible to fix it using the methods that you've used.
If you want a correct approach, read Reynan Henry's solution.
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@Pi Han Goh – Okay, i understand. I will delete my solution later on, because it's not justified. Thank you for your correction, i hope, i dont make you angry.. ehehehe
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@Fidel Simanjuntak – No worries. I'm not angry at all. We're all here to learn. It's okay to make mistakes.
I don't think it's necessary to delete your solution. Because next time, if you open up this link, you can still read through the discussion we have.
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@Pi Han Goh – Okay, thank you, sir. Enjoy your day.
@Pi Han Goh – By the way, i already provef it by HM-GM inequality..
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@Fidel Simanjuntak – no, that's incorrect. you've made a very common mistake when solving classical inequalities problems...
@pi Han goh thinks he is too smart but honestly he dosent know anything, he thinks that only he is correct and others are wrong, bcuz of such people others feel demoralised, so it is my order to u pi Han goh, dont ever do such stupid things
For the minimum value, we have to make x=y=z. So we have 3(x)/(1+x) = 2.Then x=2. So the minimum value of xyz=8
no that is not a solution
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It's a trick
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I believe what these people are saying is that the proof is not rigorous since there may be other bounds of the solution.
That's the sneaky way to solve it, but i don't recommended always using it
Also i'm Indonesian too, nice to meet you Henry
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If this question came in your exam then will you waste your time for complete solution for it or use the shortcut?
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Will this trick always work ? If it always work, i definitely use it
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@Jason Chrysoprase – For some case, x=y=z will not work
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@Reynan Henry – For most cases actually.
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@Sharky Kesa – Didn't expected that Sharky Kesa will reply to this post.
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@Sahil Silare – I can give an example which looks like symmetry should work, but doesn't.
Maximise a 2 b + b 2 c + c 2 a given a , b and c are non-negative reals such that a + b + c = 1 .
Done the same thing
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We have: 1 + x x = 1 − 1 + y y + 1 − 1 + z z = 1 + y 1 + 1 + z 1 ≥ 2 ( 1 + y ) ( 1 + z ) 1 .
Similarly, we get 1 + y y ≥ 2 ( 1 + x ) ( 1 + z ) 1 ; 1 + z z ≥ 2 ( 1 + x ) ( 1 + y ) 1 .
Hence, ( 1 + x ) ( 1 + y ) ( 1 + z ) x y z ≥ ( 1 + x ) ( 1 + y ) ( 1 + z ) 8 or x y z ≥ 8 .
Equality occurs when x = y = z = 2 .