Silhouette of a Fish

Calculus Level 3

Find the minimum possible value of a |a| such that the function below is continuous along the interval [ b , ) [b,\infty) and there is no value of x < b x<b such that y y is a real number.

16 y 2 = a + 15 x 9 x 2 + x 3 16y^2=a+15 x-9 x^2+x^3

Note: b b is a constant of real integral value.

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The answer is 25.

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2 solutions

Pi Han Goh
Mar 31, 2015

It's the same as asking for what's the smallest value of a a such that there exist a y y for all x b x \geq b for the equation given.

If RHS < 0 \text{RHS} < 0 , then there's no real solution for y y . So RHS 0 \text{RHS} \geq 0

Which means the minimum value of f ( x ) = a + 15 x 9 x 2 + x 3 f(x) = a + 15x - 9x^2 + x^3 occurs at f ( x ) = 0 3 x 2 18 x + 15 = 0 x = 1 , 5 f'(x) = 0 \Rightarrow 3x^2 - 18x + 15 = 0 \Rightarrow x = 1, 5

Substitution of the values of x x gives the pairs ( x , 16 y 2 ) = ( 1 , a + 7 ) , ( 5 , a 25 ) (x,16y^2) = (1,a+7), (5,a-25)

So either a = 7 a = -7 or a = 25 a = 25 only (not both). Suppose a = 7 a = -7 then the equation factors 16 y 2 = ( x 1 ) 2 ( x 7 ) 16y^2 =(x-1)^2 (x-7) which implies that x = 1 x = 1 is a solution but 1 < x < 7 1 <x<7 is not a solution thus disobeying the condition. Hence, a = 25 a = \boxed{25} only.

Fun fact: the graph resembles a Tschirnhausen Cubic .

Thanks for posting the calc solution. I was too lazy to do it myself.

Btw, was the first answer you tried -7?

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 2 months ago

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I tried 4, I was lazy and just interpreted WA.... then I realised that it didn't count for discontinuity, so next is 5 (due to arithmetic error), then on the last try I got it right!

Pi Han Goh - 6 years, 2 months ago

I tried -7 but have you seen the graph when a < -7? I think they qualify all your conditions.

Krishna Sharma - 6 years, 2 months ago

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Same here . I tried - 7

Rohit Shah - 6 years, 2 months ago

Shoots, I completey didnt think of going less than -7. I'll add that b b is an integer

You can report the problem if you like,

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Trevor Arashiro Now the problem is totally fine :D

Krishna Sharma - 6 years, 2 months ago

Not true, when a = 7 a = -7 the graph is continuous for x 7 x \geq 7 so b = 7 b = 7 but there's also a point of ( 1 , 0 ) (1,0) , which disobeyed the condition given.

Pi Han Goh - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Pi Han Goh No no trevor said to you that 'have you tried -7 ' then I said I tried and I was wrong but for a< -7 (like -8, -100 or any value) they obey all the conditions (it is mentioned that b is real not integer)

Krishna Sharma - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Krishna Sharma Whoops! My bad.

Pi Han Goh - 6 years, 2 months ago

You should also check that b comes out be an integer as well, otherwise a=25 won't be accepted. In this case it does comes out to be an integer which is -1 i.e for values of x smaller than minus one there will be no solution. In case it doesn't then it would be a good problem to handle. Then you have to check for integral values of b and then report the corresponding minimum of absolute value of a!!!

raj abhinav - 1 year, 3 months ago
Trevor Arashiro
Mar 31, 2015

The RHS is a cubic polynomial and it can only have 2 roots, one of which is a double root, so that y y is real.

Let's call the solutions t , s t,s where t t is the double root. By vieta's, we have

2 t + s = 9 s = 9 2 t 2t+s=9\longrightarrow s=9-2t

2 t s + t 2 = 15 2 t ( 9 2 t ) + t 2 = 15 2ts+t^2=15\longrightarrow 2t(9-2t)+t^2=15

0 = 3 t 2 18 t + 15 ( 3 t 3 ) ( t 5 ) = 0 t = 1 , 5 0=3t^2-18t+15\longrightarrow (3t-3)(t-5)=0\longrightarrow \boxed{t=1,5}

Plugging in our values for t t

2 + s = 9 s = 7 2+s=9\rightarrow s=7

10 + s = 9 s = 1 10+s=9\rightarrow s=-1

important t = 1 t=1 is extraneous for one simple reason: while the graph is continuous after x = 7 x=7 , I specifically stated that there must be no value of x < b x<b (b=7 here) that can satisfy this equation. However, the single point ( 1 , 0 ) (1,0) is a solution (hence the title). Thus b 7 b\neq 7

This means t = 5 , s = 1 t=5,~s=-1 thus

t 2 s = a a = 25 t^2s=-a\longrightarrow \boxed{ a=25}

I'll leave it to someone else to post the calc solution by finding the minimum using derivatives

+1 for an algebraic solution on a calculus question.

Pi Han Goh - 6 years, 2 months ago

You sure posted quite a long solution despite being lazy !

+1 for all the Lazy people out there !

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 2 months ago

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+2 for the lazy people :3

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 2 months ago

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