At what time between 8:15 and 8:20 do the minute hand and the hour hand of an (ideal) analog clock make the same angle with the vertical?
Give your answer in seconds after 8:15, rounded to the closest second.
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Very lucid explanation, as we have come to expect from you! Thanks! (+1)
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I solved it similarly to the Spiegel online solution (used degrees instead of radians), but solved the
1 1 2 . 5 − 1 2 0 t = 9 0 + 1 0 t equation in order to get the result directly in seconds 207.692307690328 ~ 2 0 8 seconds.
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t=d/v. So (15/4) / (13/720)=207.69231 s. ANSWER 208.
Note. at 8.15, Mt. hand has moved towards 9 by one fourth of distance between 8 and 9 o'clock.
At the end they do not meet but make the same angle with vertical.
Yes that's another good way to think about it (+1)
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If you know that a minute hand moves 6°/ minute and the hour hand moves 0.5° per minute this problem would be quite easier.. First, compute for the angle of the minute hand from the vertical at exactly 8:15
⇒ 15 × 6 = 90°
Next is the angle of the hour hand from the vertical at exactly 8:15
⇒ 60 + 0.5(15) = 67.5°
(At 8:00, the angle formed from 12 to 8 is 240°. Subtracting 180° because the problem asks for the same angle at vertical which gives 60°)
Let x be the minutes passed after 8:15 so that the minute hand and the hour hand of an (ideal) analog clock will make the same angle with the vertical
9 0 − 6 x = 6 7 . 5 + 0 . 5 x
9 0 − 6 7 . 5 = 6 x + 0 . 5 x
6 . 5 2 2 . 5 = 6 . 5 6 . 5 x
x = 1 3 4 5 m i n u t e s
Converting minutes to seconds 1 3 4 5 × 6 0 = 2 0 7 . 6 9 2 ≈ 2 0 8 s e c o n d s
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Let θ be the (clockwise) angle (in radians) between the minute hand and the 12:00 vertical, and let α be the (clockwise) angle between the hour hand and the 8:00 radial line. Then θ will be the same fraction of a full circle as α is of one-twelfth of a circle, (i.e., the angle the hour hand sweeps through in one hour). Thus
2 π θ = 6 π α ⟹ θ = 1 2 α .
For the hour hand to then make the same (counterclockwise) angle with the 12:00 vertical as the (clockwise) angle the minute hand makes with the 12:00 vertical, we require that
θ = 2 π + ( 6 π − α ) ⟹ θ + α = 3 2 π
⟹ θ + 1 2 θ = 3 2 π ⟹ 1 2 1 3 θ = 3 2 π ⟹ θ = 1 3 8 π .
In minutes past 8:15, the angle θ translates to
2 π θ ∗ 6 0 − 1 5 = 1 3 4 ∗ 6 0 − 1 5 = 1 3 2 4 0 − 1 5 = 1 3 4 5 minutes,
which in turn translates to 1 3 4 5 ∗ 6 0 = 2 0 7 . 6 9 2 3 . . . seconds, the nearest integer to which is 2 0 8 .