Which one of the following is greater -
2 2 1 0 or 5 8 3
Evaluate the exponents from the top, the x y z = x y z law isn't applicable here.
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Accuracy | 5/5 | Everything is correct |
Readability | 5/5 | Gif Overkill !! |
Ingenuity | 1/5 | Common approach, you didn’t use logarithms (all properties used are directly related to rules of exponents) |
Total | 11/15 | Great job! Did you try to fool the judges? If so you failed (Percy is a little more gullible but he would easily spot this) |
4 < 5
log 4 < log 5
log 4 log 4 < log 4 log 5 (The sign of the inequality doesn't change since log 4 is +ve (>0))
1 < log 4 5
1 < 8 3 8 3 log 4 5
1 < log 4 8 3 5 8 3
8 3 = ( 2 3 ) 3 = 2 9
1 < log ( 2 2 ) ( 2 9 ) 5 8 3
1 < log 2 2 1 0 5 8 3
1 < log 2 2 1 0 log 5 8 3
log 2 2 1 0 < log 5 8 3 ( log 2 2 1 0 > 0 )
2 2 1 0 < 5 8 3
@Atin Gupta , we really liked your comment, and have converted it into a solution.
Thanks for the help @Brilliant Mathematics
2 2 1 0 [?] 5 8 3
We all know,
2 ∗ 2 ∗ 2 (i.e.) 2 3 = 8
hence substituting this we get,
2 2 1 0 [ ?] 5 2 3 ∗ 3 [ s i n c e ( a m ) n = a m . n ]
Now, taking log on both sides( w h y ?
1.logs make calculations easier by taking the powers of the variables/constants/functions outside and hence prone to cancellation .
2. log rhymes with the word dog (s)( who never misuse their p o w e r s .)
2 1 0 ∗ l o g 1 0 2 [?] 2 9 ∗ l o g 1 0 ∗ 5
And 2 1 0 is nothing but 2 ∗ 2 9
Voilà! we are now just left with,
2 ∗ l o g 1 0 2 and l o g 1 0 5
As facts we know that,
l o g 1 0 2 = 0 . 3 and l o g 1 0 5 = 0 . 6 9
Soooooo which one's greater 2 ∗ 0 . 3 [ o r ] 0 . 6 9 ?
Pretty obvious right,
0 . 6 [ < ] 0 . 6 9
Hence, option [b] is correct!
2 2 1 0 [<] 5 8 3
Blue team won🥳🥴
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Ayyy Blue poggers, Red cringe!!!
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@Agent T – Red is always impostor lol
Epicccccccc
Honestly, what I did to solve this question is crunched the number using a calculator and see which had more digits
2 2 1 0 = 1 . 7 9 7 6 9 3 1 3 4 8 6 2 3 1 5 9 0 7 7 2 9 3 0 5 1 9 0 7 8 9 E+308
5 8 3 = 7 . 4 5 8 3 4 0 7 3 1 2 0 0 2 0 6 7 4 3 2 9 0 9 6 5 3 1 5 4 6 2 9 E+357
'E' stands for the power of 10.
for example : 1 . 2 E+5 = 1 2 0 0 0 0
As the base numbers are positive, both numbers after simplifying will be positive, Due to which the number with larger digits will be greater.
Hence 5 8 3 is greater
Okay, so first note that 8 3 = ( 2 3 ) 3 = 2 9 . Therefore 5 8 3 = 5 2 ⁹ . Now we can compare using logarithms. We will assume that 5 2 ⁹ > 2 2 1 0 . 5 2 ⁹ lo g 2 ( 5 2 ⁹ ) 2 9 lo g 2 ( 5 ) lo g 2 ( 5 ) lo g 2 ( 4 ) = 2 ⟹ lo g 2 ( 5 ) > 2 2 1 0 ∣ lo g 2 > 2 1 0 > 2 1 0 ∣ : 2 9 > 2 > 2 Tadaa, our assumption was correct!
Accuracy | 4/5 | Everything is correct except the method |
Readability | 5/5 | Proper latex has been used and well structured answer |
Ingenuity | 3/5 | Uses logarithms, better to use contradictions tho |
Total | 12/15 | Good job! |
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Hey Percy, since I've already explained to Jason why my solution was accurate, it would be nice of you to change your evaluation back as well :)
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I have edited. This is the final score, no more edits.
Accuracy | 5/5 | Everything is correct |
Readability | 4/5 | A ⇒ B , B ⇒ A two way logic used which is fine, one way would be better |
Ingenuity | 2/5 | Uses logarithms, it’s better to prove by contradiction instead |
Total | 11/15 | Good job! |
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Hey, first of all thank you for the feedback! I just wanted to note that at every step in the derivation, I've actually dealt with equivalences, not implications (except in the last where I used the property that the log observes strict growth). This means that you could also read it starting from the bottom (ie.: we know that lo g 2 ( 5 ) > 2 ) and since both the logarithm and exponential functions are injective, all statements that follow by applying the log or exponential function have the same truth value. So in every step except the last, all I've basically asked myself is, "What's an equivalent statement to this, meaning it must have the same truth value as my original assumption, whose truth value I can assess given the fact that the logarithm grows strictly?". In the last step, I then used this simpler version of my original assumption (call it B : lo g 2 ( 5 ) > 2 ) together with the true fact lo g 2 ( n + 1 ) > lo g 2 ( n ) to show that when n = 4 , then B is implied by that. More formally: [ lo g 2 ( n + 1 ) > lo g 2 ( n ) ] ∧ [ n = 4 ] ⟹ [ lo g 2 ( 5 ) > ( lo g 2 ( 4 ) = 2 ) ] . Therefore B must be true and by extension the original assumption because all steps done in simplifying it conserve its truth value both ways .
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Okay, since it is true you have dealt with equivalences ( A ⇒ B also B ⇒ A ) I will correct my judgement, but I would still say using contradictions is better (one way flow of logic, rather than a two way flow of logic is always better)
Maybe another example that you can find in many books: Let's try to prove that the statement B : a 2 + b 2 ≥ 2 a b is true (which is our assumption). Again, to check if this is true, let's see if we can manipulate the statement so that it becomes more obvious whether it's true: a 2 + b 2 a 2 − 2 a b + b 2 ( a − b ) 2 ≥ 2 a b ∣ − 2 a b ≥ 0 ≥ 0 This is an equivalent version of B . So now we use the fact A : ∀ x ∈ R : x 2 ≥ 0 and all of a sudden B ⟸ A and therefore true.
The method of solution doesn't seems correct :(
@Percy Jackson , I wasn't able to select 5 8 3 . So I went ahead and selected the wrong option. Can I post my solution here?
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No, I'm sorry you will have to check with @Brilliant Mathematics to post a solutions. Solutions in comments will not be given marks.
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But I wasn't able to select the correct option. Anyways, it's OK. BTW, how do I ask Brilliant Maths to post a solution? I'm not even able to mention them.
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@Atin Gupta – Hi Atin, just leave your intended solution as a comment here. And I'll convert it to a solution.
You can tag me by doing this:
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@Brilliant Mathematics – @Brilliant Mathematics - Okay... will leave my solution till tmrw.
@Brilliant Mathematics – Here's my solution: (remove this line)
4 < 5
log 4 < log 5
log 4 log 4 < log 4 log 5 (The sign of the inequality doesn't change since log 4 is +ve (>0))
1 < log 4 5
1 < 8 3 8 3 log 4 5
1 < log 4 8 3 5 8 3
8 3 = ( 2 3 ) 3 = 2 9
1 < log ( 2 2 ) ( 2 9 ) 5 8 3
1 < log 2 2 1 0 5 8 3
1 < log 2 2 1 0 log 5 8 3
log 2 2 1 0 < log 5 8 3 ( log 2 2 1 0 > 0 )
2 2 1 0 < 5 8 3
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@Atin Gupta
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Hi, I've converted your comment into a solution. Note that you can use the
L
A
T
E
X
expression for logarithm:
\log_4^5
:
lo
g
4
5
First converting the second exponent into a power of two, we get
8
3
=
(
2
3
)
3
=
2
9
, so
8
3
=
2
9
. Using this, we have
5
8
3
=
5
2
9
.
Taking the logarithm of both
2
2
1
0
and
5
2
9
, we can see that
lo
g
2
2
1
0
=
2
1
0
×
lo
g
2
and
lo
g
5
2
9
=
2
9
×
lo
g
5
. Dividing both expressions by
2
9
, we then have
2
×
lo
g
2
and
lo
g
5
. Since
2
×
lo
g
(
2
)
=
lo
g
(
2
2
)
=
lo
g
(
4
)
,
lo
g
5
>
lo
g
4
, so
5
8
3
>
2
2
1
0
.
There are two ways to compare
positive
exponents:
(1) Compare base when power is positive and equal.
(2) Compare power when base is equal.
Time to choose.
You tried and tried but you couldn’t easily convert it into the same base. You died of brain explosion.
Return to step 1.
By calculation,
2
2
1
0
=
2
1
0
2
4
.
5
8
3
=
5
5
1
2
.
(1) Continue to convert.
(2) Use logarithms.
Looking carefully at the powers of the two exponents, we find 1 0 2 4 = 2 × 5 1 2 .
By one rule of exponents
a
m
n
=
(
a
m
)
n
,
2
1
0
2
4
=
2
2
×
5
1
2
=
(
2
2
)
5
1
2
=
4
5
1
2
.
We have converted comparing
2
2
1
0
and
5
8
3
to comparing
4
5
1
2
and
5
5
1
2
.
Since
4
<
5
,
4
5
1
2
<
5
5
1
2
.
i.e.
2
2
1
0
<
5
8
3
.
Succeed!
Of course you can choose to use logarithms. I like using
lo
g
1
0
, which is usually simplified as
lo
g
.
We can compare
lo
g
2
1
0
2
4
and
lo
g
5
5
1
2
instead.
By rule
lo
g
a
m
=
m
lo
g
a
,
lo
g
2
1
0
2
4
=
1
0
2
4
lo
g
2
=
1
0
2
4
×
0
.
3
0
1
0
2
9
.
.
.
=
3
0
8
.
2
5
4
7
.
.
.
lo
g
5
5
1
2
=
5
1
2
lo
g
5
=
5
1
2
×
0
.
6
9
8
9
7
.
.
.
=
3
5
7
.
8
7
2
6
4
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3
0
8
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2
5
4
7
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Since
lo
g
5
5
1
2
is greater,
5
5
1
2
is greater, i.e.
5
8
3
is greater.
Succeeded again!
Did you try the Goosebumps format that R.L.Stine uses?
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Yeah... reminded me of the same thing
Hahaha yes
Hey Percy I’ve done three problems now but perhaps I won’t have the time to finish all ten since I’m busy lately about to have exams in next Tuesday :)
BTW would you please mark my solutions? :)
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I will mark them when I have time. I am being crushed by the Mathathon work and exams. I assure you, your total score will be given before april 2nd.
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@A Former Brilliant Member – it's April second now no pressure just finish within another week.
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@Kevin Long – I will correct before tomorrow and send out results by April 4th due to Jason not being able to help and me being busy.
2^10 = 1024 , 8^3 = 512
We have to compare 2^1024 with 5^512
But 2^1024 = 2^(2*512) = (2^2)^512 = 4^512 < 5^512. Therefore 5^8^3 > 2^2^10
By simplifying exponents, we want to which one out of 2 1 0 2 4 and 5 5 1 2 is greater. But since 2 1 0 2 4 = 4 5 1 2 , it's clear that 5 5 1 2 > 4 5 1 2 = 2 1 0 2 4 .
Accuracy | 5/5 | Everything is correct |
Readability | 6/5 | It’s readability is crossing the limits (even if I didn’t want to read the solution I will mistakenly read it) |
Ingenuity | 0/5 | Common approach |
Total | 11/15 | Great job! |
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5+5=11? nani
@Jason Gomez - 5+5=11? Better correct that bro
Let's try to make the powers same.
First we see that 8 3 = ( 2 3 ) 3 = 2 9 and 2 9 = 5 1 2
So 5 8 3 = 5 2 9 = 5 5 1 2
Also, 2 1 0 = 1 0 2 4
2 2 1 0 = 2 1 0 2 4 = ( 2 2 ) 5 1 2 = 4 5 1 2
Since 5 > 4 we get 5 5 1 2 > 4 5 1 2 and then 5 5 1 2 = 5 8 3 > 4 5 1 2 = 2 2 1 0
Or we can say that 5 1 2 5 5 1 2 = 5 5 1 2 5 1 2 = 5 1 = 5 > 5 1 2 4 5 1 2 = 4 5 1 2 5 1 2 = 4 1 = 4 and then 5 5 1 2 = 5 8 3 > 4 5 1 2 = 2 2 1 0
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Accuracy | 5/5 | Everything is correct |
Readability | 5/5 | Everything is clear and readable |
Ingenuity | 0/5 | Common Approach, the code is just brute force, no ingenuity points |
Total | 10/15 | Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note! |
Accuracy | 5/5 | Answer is correct |
Readability | 5/5 | Easy to read and follow |
Ingenuity | 0/5 | Coding isn’t counted here |
Total | 10/15 | Great job! Percy might update your score on the members and points note! |
⟺ ⟺ Note:Both sides are greater than 1, ⟺ 4 < 5 2 2 < 5 2 2 1 0 < 5 2 9 power is greater than 1, so preserving the inequality. 2 2 1 0 < 5 8 3 Obviously 4 = 2 2 Raising both sides to 2 9 Answer
Accuracy | 5/5 | Everything is correct |
Readability | 5/5 | Everything is clear and readable |
Ingenuity | 2/5 | Different power comparison and mentioned why inequality is preserved |
Total | 12/15 | Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note! |
Accuracy | 5/5 | Everything is correct |
Readability | 5/5 | Very readable, sub points in color looks really good |
Ingenuity | 1/5 | Solved the problem like a textbook (who considers 4<5 and builds up on that) |
Total | 11/15 | Great job! Reconsider giving textbook solutions next time |
First we need to simplify 8 3 into a power of 2 , so 8 3 = ( 2 3 ) 3 = 2 9 . Since 5 > 4 , 5 2 9 > 4 2 9 , and 4 2 9 = ( 2 2 ) 2 9 = 2 2 1 0 . So 5 8 3 is greater.
Accuracy | 5/5 | Everything is correct |
Readability | 5/5 | Everything is clear and readable |
Ingenuity | 1/5 | Different power comparison |
Total | 11/15 | Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note! |
∵ 5 > 4 a n d lo g i s a n i n c r e a s i n g f u n c t i o n lo g 2 ( 5 8 3 ) > lo g 2 ( 4 8 3 ) = 8 3 lo g 2 4 = ( 2 3 ) 3 lo g 2 2 2 = 2 3 × 3 × 2 = 2 9 + 1 = 2 1 0 = 2 1 0 × 1 = 2 1 0 lo g 2 2 = lo g 2 2 2 1 0 ⇒ lo g 2 5 8 3 > lo g 2 2 2 1 0 ∵ lo g i s a n i n c r e a s i n g f u n c t i o n ∴ 5 8 3 > 2 2 1 0
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I am not very sure @Zakir Husain but I think you haven’t given an explanation for why the answer came
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I added a new line to make it more clear to the reader.
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Oh sorry at first I thought the question asked was 5 8 3 and 4 8 3 , and not the real question lol
@Zakir Husain I want to your help in the Oskar’s answer, is it fine to assume something is true and show that a result of that being true is something else which by itself is true(4<5), and say due to this the first statement is true?
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I don’t feel it’s fine because both a false and a true statement can both lead to a true statement, but only a false statement can lead to a false statement
No, if A ⇒ B and B is true ⇒ A is true
For example: Assume that we can divide by 0 2 × 0 = 2 × 0 = 0 ⇒ 2 × 0 0 = 2 × 0 0 ⇒ 2 = 2 Hence our assumption was true?
Accuracy | 5/5 | Answer and assumptions are correct (almost, log increases only for bases > 1) |
Readability | 5/5 | Very well structured answer |
Ingenuity | 3/5 | Uses logarithms as an increasing function |
Total | 13/15 | Excellent! |
Accuracy | 5/5 | Everything is correct |
Readability | 5/5 | Everything is clear and readable |
Ingenuity | 3/5 | logarithms, I don't know what else to say |
Total | 13/15 | Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note! |
First 2 2 1 0
And obviously 4 8 3 < 5 8 3 , therefore 2 2 1 0 < 5 8 3
Accuracy | 5/5 | Everything is correct |
Readability | 5/5 | Everything is clear and readable |
Ingenuity | 1/5 | A different power comparison is used |
Total | 11/15 | Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note! |
The way I look at it is that 2 1 0 = 2 ∗ 2 9 = 2 ∗ 8 3
Therefore 2 2 1 0 = 4 8 3 and 4 8 3 is clearly less than 5 8 3 QED
Accuracy | 5/5 | Everything is correct |
Readability | 5/5 | Everything is clear and readable |
Ingenuity | 1/5 | Different power comparison |
Total | 11/15 | Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note! |
2^2^10= 2 1 0 2 4 and 5^8^3= 5 5 1 2 Since 5 1 2 1 0 2 4 = 2 and k m n = m k n we, 5 1 2 2 1 0 2 4 = 2 5 1 2 1 0 2 4 = 2 2 = 4 and 5 1 2 5 5 1 2 = 5 5 1 2 5 1 2 = 5 1 = 5 . Since 4 is greater than 5 , {5^8^3} is bigger.
Accuracy | 5/5 | Everything is correct |
Readability | 4/5 | A little too close together, the equations |
Ingenuity | 0/5 | Common Approach |
Total | 9/15 | Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note! |
Accuracy | 5/5 | Everything is correct |
Readability | 3/5 | Not exactly readable |
Ingenuity | 0/5 | Common approach |
Total | 8/15 | Good job! Adding some more text so that the table looks big |
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Adding some more text so that the table looks big
Hippity hoppity, your trick is now my property :)
(lemme quickly copy that...)
2 2 1 0 = 2 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 = 2 1 0 2 4 = 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × . . . . × 2 × 2 = 4 × 4 × . . . × 4 = 4 5 1 2
5 8 3 = 5 ( 2 × 2 × 2 ) 3 = 5 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 = 5 5 1 2
Thus the comparison between 2 2 1 0 and 5 8 3 is the same as it is between 4 5 1 2 and 5 5 1 2 , where due to powers being same, using the fact that a x < b x if a < b , we conclude 4 5 1 2 < 5 5 1 2 or 2 2 1 0 < 5 8 3 , thus second is larger .
Accuracy | 5/5 | Everything is correct |
Readability | 5/5 | Everything is clear and readable |
Ingenuity | 0/5 | Common Approach |
Total | 10/15 | Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note! |
Most Common Approach -
2 1 0 = 1 0 2 4 ⇒ 2 2 1 0 = 2 1 0 2 4 = 4 5 1 2
8 3 = 5 1 2 ⇒ 5 8 3 = 5 5 1 2
5 5 1 2 > 4 5 1 2
Thus, the answer is 5 8 3
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lol @Jason Gomez you are more interested in the Mathathon than even me :P
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Lol it’s the only new and interesting thing I am doing/going to do since a year, I am bound to be enthusiastic about it even with the other commitments
Dude, a mod just saw this problem. They've added the 'View wiki' button.
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That’s epic, now it might be added to a wiki too
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No, I don't think so, the power tower wiki has enough problems.
could you grade my solutions I uploaded them a little late for most of them so yeah thxs if you can
Hey @Percy Jackson @Jason Gomez I was unable to find the link for Q4 which was, i spose, to be uploaded on 22nd
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Because it hasn’t been sent out yet, Percy got a little busy
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