I've got the power! (Mathathon Problem 3)

Algebra Level 2

Which one of the following is greater -

2 2 10 or 5 8 3 \Large 2^{2^{10}} \text{ or } 5^{8^{3}}

Evaluate the exponents from the top, the x y z = x y z \Large x^{y^{z}} = x^{yz} law isn't applicable here.

2 2 10 \large 2^{2^{10}} 5 8 3 \large 5^{8^3}

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19 solutions

Julie Éthier
Mar 24, 2021

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Gif Overkill !!
Ingenuity 1/5 Common approach, you didn’t use logarithms (all properties used are directly related to rules of exponents)
Total 11/15 Great job! Did you try to fool the judges? If so you failed (Percy is a little more gullible but he would easily spot this)

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Atin Gupta
Mar 26, 2021

4 < 5 4 < 5

log 4 < log 5 \text{log } 4 < \text{log } 5

log 4 log 4 < log 5 log 4 \dfrac {\text{log } 4}{\text{log } 4} < \dfrac {\text{log } 5}{\text{log } 4} (The sign of the inequality doesn't change since log 4 is +ve (>0))

1 < log 4 5 1 < \text{log }_4 5

1 < 8 3 8 3 log 4 5 1 < \dfrac{8^3}{8^3} \text{log }_4 5

1 < log 4 8 3 5 8 3 1 < \text{log }_{4^{8^3}} 5^{8^3}

8 3 = ( 2 3 ) 3 = 2 9 8^3 = (2^3)^3 = 2^9

1 < log ( 2 2 ) ( 2 9 ) 5 8 3 1 < \text{log }_{(2^2)^{(2^9)}} 5^{8^3}

1 < log 2 2 1 0 5 8 3 1 < \text{log }_{2^{2^10}} 5^{8^3}

1 < log 5 8 3 log 2 2 10 1 < \dfrac {\text{log } 5^{8^3}}{\text{log }2^{2^{10}}}

log 2 2 10 < log 5 8 3 \text{log } 2^{2^{10}} < \text{log } 5^{8^3} ( log 2 2 10 > 0 ) \text{log } 2^{2^{10}} > 0)

2 2 10 < 5 8 3 \boxed{2^{2^{10}} < 5^{8^3}}

@Atin Gupta , we really liked your comment, and have converted it into a solution.

Brilliant Mathematics Staff - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Thanks for your support. I appreciate it :)

Atin Gupta - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Thanks for the help @Brilliant Mathematics

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Agent T
Mar 25, 2021

2 2 10 \textcolor{#D61F06}{2^{2^{10}}} [?] 5 8 3 \textcolor{#95D3FE}{5^{8^{3}}}

We all know,

2 2 2 \textcolor{#D61F06}{ 2*2*2} (i.e.) 2 3 = 8 \textcolor{#D61F06}{2^{3}= 8}

hence substituting this we get,

2 2 10 \textcolor{#D61F06}{2^{2^{10}}} [ ?] 5 2 3 3 \textcolor{#95D3FE}{5^{2^{3*3}}} [ s i n c e ( a m ) n = a m . n \textcolor{#20A900}{since (a^{m})^{n} =a^{m.n}} ]

Now, taking log on both sides( w h y ? \textcolor{#3D99F6}{why?}

1.logs make calculations easier by taking the powers of the variables/constants/functions outside and hence prone to cancellation .

2. log rhymes with the word dog (s)( who never misuse their p o w e r s \textcolor{#CEBB00}{powers} .)

2 10 l o g 10 2 \textcolor{#D61F06}{2^{10} * log_{10} 2} [?] 2 9 l o g 10 5 \textcolor{#95D3FE}{2^{9} * log_{10} *5}

And 2 10 is nothing but 2 2 9 \textcolor{#20A900}{2^{10}\text{ is nothing but}} 2 * 2^{9}

Voilà! we are now just left with,

2 l o g 10 2 \textcolor{#D61F06}{2 *log_{10} 2} and l o g 10 5 \textcolor{#95D3FE}{log_{10} 5}

As facts we know that,

l o g 10 2 = 0.3 \textcolor{#3D99F6} {log_{10} 2 =0.3} and l o g 10 5 = 0.69 \textcolor{#3D99F6} {log_{10} 5 =0.69}

Soooooo which one's greater 2 0.3 [ o r ] 0.69 2 * 0.3 [or ]0.69 ?

Pretty obvious right,

0.6 [ < ] 0.69 \textcolor{#69047E}{0.6 [<] 0.69}

Hence, option [b] is correct!

2 2 10 \textcolor{#D61F06}{2^{2^{10}}} [<] 5 8 3 \textcolor{#95D3FE}{5^{8^{3}}}

Blue team won🥳🥴

Agent T - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Ayyy Blue poggers, Red cringe!!!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 1 week ago

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゚   Red was An Impostor.  。 .

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Agent T - 2 months, 1 week ago

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@Agent T Red is always impostor lol

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 1 week ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member Haha,yes!



Agent T - 2 months, 1 week ago

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SRIJAN Singh - 1 week, 4 days ago

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Thamks Srijan!! :D

Agent T - 1 week, 4 days ago
Siddhesh Umarjee
Mar 25, 2021

Honestly, what I did to solve this question is crunched the number using a calculator and see which had more digits

2 2 10 = 1.797693134862315907729305190789 2^{2^{10}} = 1.797693134862315907729305190789 E+308

5 8 3 = 7.4583407312002067432909653154629 5^{8^3} = 7.4583407312002067432909653154629 E+357

'E' stands for the power of 10.

for example : 1.2 E+5 = 120000 1.2 \textbf {E+5} = 120000

As the base numbers are positive, both numbers after simplifying will be positive, Due to which the number with larger digits will be greater.

Hence 5 8 3 5^{8^3} is greater

Oskar Dobroczek
Mar 22, 2021

Okay, so first note that 8 3 = ( 2 3 ) 3 = 2 9 8^3 = (2^3)^3 = {2^9} . Therefore 5 8 3 = 5 2 5^{8^3} = 5^{2⁹} . Now we can compare using logarithms. We will assume that 5 2 > 2 2 10 5^{2⁹}>2^{2^{10}} . 5 2 > 2 2 10 log 2 log 2 ( 5 2 ) > 2 10 2 9 log 2 ( 5 ) > 2 10 : 2 9 log 2 ( 5 ) > 2 log 2 ( 4 ) = 2 log 2 ( 5 ) > 2 \begin{aligned} 5^{2⁹}&>2^{2^{10}}\quad\mid \log_2\\ \log_2(5^{2⁹}) &> 2^{10}\\ 2^9\log_2(5) &> 2^{10}\quad\mid :2^{9}\\ \log_2(5) &> 2\\ \log_2(4) = 2 \implies \log_2(5) &> 2 \end{aligned} Tadaa, our assumption was correct!

Accuracy 4/5 Everything is correct except the method
Readability 5/5 Proper latex has been used and well structured answer
Ingenuity 3/5 Uses logarithms, better to use contradictions tho
Total 12/15 Good job!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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Hey Percy, since I've already explained to Jason why my solution was accurate, it would be nice of you to change your evaluation back as well :)

Oskar Dobroczek - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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I have edited. This is the final score, no more edits.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 4/5 A B , B A A ⇒ B, B ⇒ A two way logic used which is fine, one way would be better
Ingenuity 2/5 Uses logarithms, it’s better to prove by contradiction instead
Total 11/15 Good job!

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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Hey, first of all thank you for the feedback! I just wanted to note that at every step in the derivation, I've actually dealt with equivalences, not implications (except in the last where I used the property that the log observes strict growth). This means that you could also read it starting from the bottom (ie.: we know that log 2 ( 5 ) > 2 \log_2(5) > 2 ) and since both the logarithm and exponential functions are injective, all statements that follow by applying the log or exponential function have the same truth value. So in every step except the last, all I've basically asked myself is, "What's an equivalent statement to this, meaning it must have the same truth value as my original assumption, whose truth value I can assess given the fact that the logarithm grows strictly?". In the last step, I then used this simpler version of my original assumption (call it B : log 2 ( 5 ) > 2 B: \log_2(5) > 2 ) together with the true fact log 2 ( n + 1 ) > log 2 ( n ) \log_2(n+1) > \log_2(n) to show that when n = 4 n=4 , then B B is implied by that. More formally: [ log 2 ( n + 1 ) > log 2 ( n ) ] [ n = 4 ] [ log 2 ( 5 ) > ( log 2 ( 4 ) = 2 ) ] . [\log_2(n+1) > \log_2(n)]\wedge[n=4] \implies[\log_2(5)>(\log_2(4)=2)] . Therefore B B must be true and by extension the original assumption because all steps done in simplifying it conserve its truth value both ways .

Oskar Dobroczek - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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Okay, since it is true you have dealt with equivalences ( A B also B A A ⇒ B \text{ also } B ⇒ A ) I will correct my judgement, but I would still say using contradictions is better (one way flow of logic, rather than a two way flow of logic is always better)

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Maybe another example that you can find in many books: Let's try to prove that the statement B : a 2 + b 2 2 a b B: a^2+b^2\geq 2ab is true (which is our assumption). Again, to check if this is true, let's see if we can manipulate the statement so that it becomes more obvious whether it's true: a 2 + b 2 2 a b 2 a b a 2 2 a b + b 2 0 ( a b ) 2 0 \begin{aligned} a^2+b^2 &\geq 2ab \quad\mid -2ab\\ a^2 -2ab +b^2 &\geq 0\\ (a-b)^2 &\geq 0 \end{aligned} This is an equivalent version of B B . So now we use the fact A : x R : x 2 0 A: \forall x\in\mathbb{R}: x^2 \geq 0 and all of a sudden B A B\impliedby A and therefore true.

Oskar Dobroczek - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

The method of solution doesn't seems correct :(

Zakir Husain - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

@Percy Jackson , I wasn't able to select 5 8 3 5^{8^3} . So I went ahead and selected the wrong option. Can I post my solution here?

Atin Gupta - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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No, I'm sorry you will have to check with @Brilliant Mathematics to post a solutions. Solutions in comments will not be given marks.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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But I wasn't able to select the correct option. Anyways, it's OK. BTW, how do I ask Brilliant Maths to post a solution? I'm not even able to mention them.

Atin Gupta - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Atin Gupta Hi Atin, just leave your intended solution as a comment here. And I'll convert it to a solution.

You can tag me by doing this:

Brilliant Mathematics Staff - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Brilliant Mathematics @Brilliant Mathematics - Okay... will leave my solution till tmrw.

Atin Gupta - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

@Brilliant Mathematics Here's my solution: (remove this line)

4 < 5 4 < 5

log 4 < log 5 \text{log } 4 < \text{log } 5

log 4 log 4 < log 5 log 4 \dfrac {\text{log } 4}{\text{log } 4} < \dfrac {\text{log } 5}{\text{log } 4} (The sign of the inequality doesn't change since log 4 is +ve (>0))

1 < log 4 5 1 < \text{log }_4 5

1 < 8 3 8 3 log 4 5 1 < \dfrac{8^3}{8^3} \text{log }_4 5

1 < log 4 8 3 5 8 3 1 < \text{log }_{4^{8^3}} 5^{8^3}

8 3 = ( 2 3 ) 3 = 2 9 8^3 = (2^3)^3 = 2^9

1 < log ( 2 2 ) ( 2 9 ) 5 8 3 1 < \text{log }_{(2^2)^{(2^9)}} 5^{8^3}

1 < log 2 2 1 0 5 8 3 1 < \text{log }_{2^{2^10}} 5^{8^3}

1 < log 5 8 3 log 2 2 10 1 < \dfrac {\text{log } 5^{8^3}}{\text{log }2^{2^{10}}}

log 2 2 10 < log 5 8 3 \text{log } 2^{2^{10}} < \text{log } 5^{8^3} ( log 2 2 10 > 0 ) \text{log } 2^{2^{10}} > 0)

2 2 10 < 5 8 3 \boxed{2^{2^{10}} < 5^{8^3}}

Atin Gupta - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Atin Gupta Hi, I've converted your comment into a solution. Note that you can use the LaTeX \LaTeX expression for logarithm: \log_4^5 : log 4 5 \log_4 5

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Kevin Long
Mar 27, 2021

First converting the second exponent into a power of two, we get 8 3 = ( 2 3 ) 3 = 2 9 8^3=(2^3)^3=2^9 , so 8 3 = 2 9 8^3=2^9 . Using this, we have 5 8 3 = 5 2 9 5^{8^{3}}=5^{2^{9}} .
Taking the logarithm of both 2 2 10 2^{2^{10}} and 5 2 9 5^{2^{9}} , we can see that log 2 2 10 \log 2^{2^{10}} = 2 10 × log 2 2^{10}\times\log2 and log 5 2 9 = 2 9 × log 5 \log5^{2^{9}}=2^{9}\times\log5 . Dividing both expressions by 2 9 2^9 , we then have 2 × log 2 2\times\log2 and log 5 \log5 . Since 2 × log ( 2 ) = log ( 2 2 ) = log ( 4 ) 2\times\log(2)=\log(2^2)=\log(4) , log 5 > log 4 \log5>\log4 , so 5 8 3 > 2 2 10 5^{8^{3}}>2^{2^{10}} .

Jeff Giff
Mar 25, 2021

Step 1

There are two ways to compare positive exponents:
(1) Compare base when power is positive and equal.
(2) Compare power when base is equal.
Time to choose.



Step 2

(1)

You tried and tried but you couldn’t easily convert it into the same base. You died of brain explosion.
Return to step 1.

(2)

By calculation, 2 2 10 = 2 1024 . 2^{2^{10}}=2^{1024}. 5 8 3 = 5 512 . 5^{8^3}=5^{512}. (1) Continue to convert.
(2) Use logarithms.


Step 3

(1)

Looking carefully at the powers of the two exponents, we find 1024 = 2 × 512 1024=2\times 512 .

By one rule of exponents a m n = ( a m ) n \color{#D61F06}a^{mn}=(a^m)^n , 2 1024 = 2 2 × 512 = ( 2 2 ) 512 = 4 512 2^{1024}=2^{2\times 512}=(2^2)^{512}=4^{512} .
We have converted comparing 2 2 10 2^{2^{10}} and 5 8 3 5^{8^3} to comparing 4 512 4^{512} and 5 512 5^{512} .
Since 4 < 5 4\lt 5 ,
4 512 < 5 512 4^{512}\lt 5^{512} .
i.e. 2 2 10 < 5 8 3 \color{#D61F06}2^{2^{10}}\lt 5^{8^3} .
Succeed!

(2)

Of course you can choose to use logarithms. I like using log 10 \log_{10} , which is usually simplified as log \log .
We can compare log 2 1024 \log 2^{1024} and log 5 512 \log 5^{512} instead.
By rule log a m = m log a , \color{#D61F06} \log a^m =m\log a, log 2 1024 = 1024 log 2 = 1024 × 0.301029... = 308.2547... \log 2^{1024}=1024\log 2 = 1024\times 0.301029... =308.2547...
log 5 512 = 512 log 5 = 512 × 0.69897... = 357.87264... > 308.2547... \log 5^{512}=512\log 5=512\times 0.69897...=357.87264...\color{#D61F06}\gt 308.2547...
Since log 5 512 \log 5^{512} is greater, 5 512 5^{512} is greater, i.e.
5 8 3 is greater. \color{#D61F06} 5^{8^3}\text{is greater.}
Succeeded again!

Did you try the Goosebumps format that R.L.Stine uses?

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Yeah... reminded me of the same thing

Atin Gupta - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Hahaha yes

Jeff Giff - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Hey Percy I’ve done three problems now but perhaps I won’t have the time to finish all ten since I’m busy lately about to have exams in next Tuesday :)

Jeff Giff - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

BTW would you please mark my solutions? :)

Jeff Giff - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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I will mark them when I have time. I am being crushed by the Mathathon work and exams. I assure you, your total score will be given before april 2nd.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member it's April second now no pressure just finish within another week.

Kevin Long - 2 months, 1 week ago

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@Kevin Long I will correct before tomorrow and send out results by April 4th due to Jason not being able to help and me being busy.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 1 week ago
Sundar R
Mar 24, 2021

2^10 = 1024 , 8^3 = 512

We have to compare 2^1024 with 5^512

But 2^1024 = 2^(2*512) = (2^2)^512 = 4^512 < 5^512. Therefore 5^8^3 > 2^2^10

Hamana Hamana
Mar 24, 2021

By simplifying exponents, we want to which one out of 2 1024 2^{1024} and 5 512 5^{512} is greater. But since 2 1024 = 4 512 2^{1024} = 4^{512} , it's clear that 5 512 > 4 512 = 2 1024 5^{512} > 4^{512} = 2^{1024} .

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 6/5 It’s readability is crossing the limits (even if I didn’t want to read the solution I will mistakenly read it)
Ingenuity 0/5 Common approach
Total 11/15 Great job!

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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5+5=11? nani

Kevin Long - 2 months, 1 week ago

@Jason Gomez - 5+5=11? Better correct that bro

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 1 week ago
Aditya Mittal
Mar 23, 2021

First method:

Let's try to make the powers same.

First we see that 8 3 = ( 2 3 ) 3 = 2 9 8^3 = (2^3)^3 = 2^9 and 2 9 = 512 2^9 = 512

So 5 8 3 = 5 2 9 = 5 512 5^{8^3} = 5^{2^9}=5^{512}

Also, 2 10 = 1024 2^{10} = 1024

2 2 10 = 2 1024 = ( 2 2 ) 512 = 4 512 2^{2^{10}} = 2^{1024} = (2^2)^{512} = 4^{512}

Since 5 > 4 5 > 4 we get 5 512 > 4 512 5^{512}>4^{512} and then 5 512 = 5 8 3 > 4 512 = 2 2 10 5^{512}=5^{8^3}>4^{512}=2^{2^{10}}

Or we can say that 5 512 512 = 5 512 512 = 5 1 = 5 > 4 512 512 = 4 512 512 = 4 1 = 4 \sqrt[512]{5^{512}} = 5^{\frac{512}{512}} = 5^1 = 5 > \sqrt[512]{4^{512}} = 4^{\frac{512}{512}} = 4^1 = 4 and then 5 512 = 5 8 3 > 4 512 = 2 2 10 5^{512}=5^{8^3}>4^{512}=2^{2^{10}}

Second method(Brute Force):

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a = 2**2**10
b = 5**8**3

if (max(a,b) == a):
    print("2**2**10 is greater")
else:
    print("5**8**3 is greater")

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"5**8**3 is greater"

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 0/5 Common Approach, the code is just brute force, no ingenuity points
Total 10/15 Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Answer is correct
Readability 5/5 Easy to read and follow
Ingenuity 0/5 Coding isn’t counted here
Total 10/15 Great job! Percy might update your score on the members and points note!

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

4 < 5 Obviously 2 2 < 5 4 = 2 2 2 2 10 < 5 2 9 Raising both sides to 2 9 Note:Both sides are greater than 1, power is greater than 1, so preserving the inequality. 2 2 10 < 5 8 3 Answer \begin{aligned} &\large{4 < 5} \ &\textcolor{#3D99F6}{\text{Obviously}} \\ \iff &\large{2^2 < 5} &\textcolor{#3D99F6}{4=2^2} \\ \iff &\large{{2^{2^{10}}} < {5^{2^9}}} \ &\textcolor{#3D99F6}{\text{Raising both sides to } 2^{9}} \\ \small{\textcolor{#D61F06}{\text{Note:Both sides are greater than 1,}}}&\small{\textcolor{#D61F06}{\text{ power is greater than 1, so preserving the inequality.}}} \\ \iff & \large{{2^{2^{10}}} < {5^{8^3}}} \ &\textcolor{#3D99F6}{\text{Answer}} \\ \end{aligned}

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 2/5 Different power comparison and mentioned why inequality is preserved
Total 12/15 Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Very readable, sub points in color looks really good
Ingenuity 1/5 Solved the problem like a textbook (who considers 4<5 and builds up on that)
Total 11/15 Great job! Reconsider giving textbook solutions next time

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Avner Lim
Mar 22, 2021

First we need to simplify 8 3 8^{3} into a power of 2 2 , so 8 3 = ( 2 3 ) 3 = 2 9 8^{3} = (2^{3})^{3} = 2^{9} . Since 5 > 4 5 > 4 , 5 2 9 > 4 2 9 5^{2^{9}} > 4^{2^9} , and 4 2 9 = ( 2 2 ) 2 9 = 2 2 10 4^{2^9} = (2^2)^{2^9} = 2^{2^{10}} . So 5 8 3 \boxed{5^{8^{3}}} is greater.

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 1/5 Different power comparison
Total 11/15 Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Zakir Husain
Mar 22, 2021

5 > 4 a n d log i s a n i n c r e a s i n g f u n c t i o n \blue{\because 5>4 \space and \space\log\space is\space an\space increasing\space function} log 2 ( 5 8 3 ) > log 2 ( 4 8 3 ) \log_2(\red{5}^{8^3})>\log_2(\red{4}^{8^3})\space = 8 3 log 2 4 = ( 2 3 ) 3 log 2 2 2 =8^3\log_24=(2^3)^3\log_22^2 = 2 3 × 3 × 2 = 2 9 + 1 =2^{3\times 3}\times 2=2^{9+1} = 2 10 = 2 10 × 1 =2^{10}=2^{10}\times \red{1} = 2 10 log 2 2 = log 2 2 2 10 =2^{10}\red{\log_22}=\log_22^{2^{10}} log 2 5 8 3 > log 2 2 2 10 \Rightarrow \log_25^{8^3}>\log_22^{2^{10}} log i s a n i n c r e a s i n g f u n c t i o n \blue{\because \log\space is\space an\space increasing\space function} 5 8 3 > 2 2 10 \therefore \boxed{5^{8^3}>2^{2^{10}}}

Note:

  • f ( x ) f(x) is an increasing function ( f ( x 1 ) > f ( x 2 ) x 1 > x 2 ) \iff (f(x_1)>f(x_2)\iff x_1>x_2)

I am not very sure @Zakir Husain but I think you haven’t given an explanation for why the answer came

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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I added a new line to make it more clear to the reader.

Zakir Husain - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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Oh sorry at first I thought the question asked was 5 8 3 and 4 8 3 5^{8^3} \text{and } 4^{8^3} , and not the real question lol

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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@Jason Gomez Very silly of me to do so

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

@Zakir Husain I want to your help in the Oskar’s answer, is it fine to assume something is true and show that a result of that being true is something else which by itself is true(4<5), and say due to this the first statement is true?

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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I don’t feel it’s fine because both a false and a true statement can both lead to a true statement, but only a false statement can lead to a false statement

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

No, if A B A\Rightarrow B and B B is true A \cancel{\Rightarrow} A is true

Zakir Husain - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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Thank you for reconfirming my suspicions

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

For example: Assume that we can divide by 0 0 2 × 0 = 2 × 0 = 0 2\times 0=2\times 0 = 0 2 × 0 0 = 2 × 0 0 \Rightarrow 2\times \dfrac{\cancel{0}}{\cancel{0}}=2\times \dfrac{\cancel{0}}{\cancel{0}} 2 = 2 \Rightarrow 2=2 Hence our assumption was true?

Zakir Husain - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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Of course not, thanks a lot

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Answer and assumptions are correct (almost, log increases only for bases > 1)
Readability 5/5 Very well structured answer
Ingenuity 3/5 Uses logarithms as an increasing function
Total 13/15 Excellent!

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 3/5 logarithms, I don't know what else to say
Total 13/15 Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Omek K
Mar 22, 2021

First 2 2 10 2^{2^{10}}

  • = 2 2 9 × 2 2^{2^9×2}
  • Using a m n a^{mn} = ( a m ) n (a^m)^{n}
  • = 4 2 9 4^{2^9}
  • = 4 8 3 4^{8^3}

And obviously 4 8 3 4^{8^3} < 5 8 3 5^{8^3} , therefore 2 2 10 2^{2^{10}} < 5 8 3 5^{8^3}

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 1/5 A different power comparison is used
Total 11/15 Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Morris Pearl
Mar 22, 2021

The way I look at it is that 2 10 = 2 2 9 = 2 8 3 2^{10 } = 2 * 2^9 = 2 * 8^3

Therefore 2 2 10 = 4 8 3 2^{2^{10}} = 4^{8^3} and 4 8 3 4^{8^3} is clearly less than 5 8 3 5^{8^3} QED

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 1/5 Different power comparison
Total 11/15 Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Newton Kayode
Mar 22, 2021

2^2^10= 2 1024 2^{1024} and 5^8^3= 5 512 5^{512} Since 1024 512 = 2 \frac{1024}{512}=2 and k m n k \sqrt{m^{n}} = m n k m^\frac{n}{k} we, 512 2 1024 512 \sqrt{2^{1024}} = 2 1024 512 2^\frac{1024}{512} = 2 2 2^{2} = 4 4 and 512 5 512 512 \sqrt{5^{512}} = 5 512 512 5^\frac{512}{512} = 5 1 5^{1} = 5 5 . Since 4 4 is greater than 5 5 , {5^8^3} is bigger.

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 4/5 A little too close together, the equations
Ingenuity 0/5 Common Approach
Total 9/15 Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 3/5 Not exactly readable
Ingenuity 0/5 Common approach
Total 8/15 Good job! Adding some more text so that the table looks big

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Adding some more text so that the table looks big

Hippity hoppity, your trick is now my property :)

(lemme quickly copy that...)

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Devbrat Dandotiya
Mar 22, 2021

2 2 10 = 2 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 = 2 1024 = 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × . . . . × 2 × 2 = 4 × 4 × . . . × 4 = 4 512 {2^2}^{10}= 2^{2×2×2×2×2×2×2×2×2×2}= 2^{1024}=2×2×2×2× ....×2×2= 4×4×...×4=4^{512}

5 8 3 = 5 ( 2 × 2 × 2 ) 3 = 5 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 = 5 512 {5^8}^3= {5^{(2×2×2)}}^3= 5^{2×2×2×2×2×2×2×2×2}= 5^{512}

Thus the comparison between 2 2 10 {2^2}^{10} and 5 8 3 {5^8}^3 is the same as it is between 4 512 4^{512} and 5 512 5^{512} , where due to powers being same, using the fact that a x < b x a^x<b^x if a < b a<b , we conclude 4 512 < 5 512 4^{512}<5^{512} or 2 2 10 < 5 8 3 {2^2}^{10}<{5^8}^3 , thus second is larger .

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 0/5 Common Approach
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A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Most Common Approach -

2 10 = 1024 2 2 10 = 2 1024 = 4 512 2^{10} = 1024 \Rightarrow 2^{2^{10}} = 2^{1024} = 4^{512}

8 3 = 512 5 8 3 = 5 512 8^{3} = 512 \Rightarrow 5^{8^{3}} = 5^{512}

5 512 > 4 512 5^{512} > 4^{512}

Thus, the answer is 5 8 3 \Large \boxed{5^{8^{3}}}

Jason Gomez
Mar 22, 2021

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lol @Jason Gomez you are more interested in the Mathathon than even me :P

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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Lol it’s the only new and interesting thing I am doing/going to do since a year, I am bound to be enthusiastic about it even with the other commitments

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

Dude, a mod just saw this problem. They've added the 'View wiki' button.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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That’s epic, now it might be added to a wiki too

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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No, I don't think so, the power tower wiki has enough problems.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

could you grade my solutions I uploaded them a little late for most of them so yeah thxs if you can

Kevin Long - 2 months, 1 week ago

Hey @Percy Jackson @Jason Gomez I was unable to find the link for Q4 which was, i spose, to be uploaded on 22nd

Siddhesh Umarjee - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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Because it hasn’t been sent out yet, Percy got a little busy

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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