JEEometry :3

Geometry Level 5

Two rods of length 7 7 and 14 14 slide along the coordinate axes in a manner that their end are always concyclic as shown in figure. Find the locus of center of the circle passing through these ends. Equation will be of form: a x c + b y d + e = 0 a x^c +b y^d + e =0 Find a + b + c + d + e a+b+c+d+e .

The rod of length 7 slides on the y-axis, the rod of length 14 slides on the x-axis.
a , b , c , d , e a,b, c, d, e are integers.
a a is positive.
a a and e e are coprime.


The answer is -143.

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1 solution

Mvs Saketh
Mar 2, 2015

Refer to figure to see how rods are moving, We can see that the rods are intercepts, so the Rod lengths are given by

2 g 2 c = 7 2 f 2 c = 14 s q u a r i n g a n d s u b t r a c t i n g g 2 f 2 = 49 3 4 = 147 4 s o 4 g 2 4 f 2 + 147 = 0 \displaystyle{2\sqrt { { g }^{ 2 }-c } \quad =\quad 7\\ \\ 2\sqrt { { f }^{ 2 }-c } \quad =\quad 14\\ \\ squaring\quad and\quad subtracting\\ \\ { g }^{ 2 }\quad -\quad { f }^{ 2\quad }=\quad -\frac { 49*3 }{ 4 } \quad \quad =\quad -\frac { 147 }{ 4 } \\ \\ so\quad 4{ g }^{ 2 }-4{ f }^{ 2 }\quad +\quad 147\quad =\quad 0}

so we have comparing a=4 b=-4 c=2 d=2 e=147

adding 147+2+2+4-4 = 151

However it must be mentioned which length rod is moving along which axes

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The coordinates in the solution are switched.

Suppose that the point ( X , Y ) (X, Y) is the center of a circle of radius r r which intersects the axis as given. Then, the y-intercepts would satisfy ( x X ) 2 + ( y Y ) 2 = r 2 (x-X) ^2 + (y-Y)^2 = r^2 and x = 0 x = 0 , or that ( y Y ) 2 = r 2 X 2 ( y - Y)^2 = r^2 - X^2 . The y-intercepts will be y = Y ± r 2 X 2 y = Y \pm \sqrt{ r^2 - X^2} . Since the difference is 7, this tells us that 7 = 2 r 2 X 2 7 = 2 \sqrt{ r^2 - X^2} . Similarly, we get that 14 = 2 r 2 Y 2 14 = 2 \sqrt{ r^2 - Y^2} , and thus the center of the circle satisfies 4 ( r 2 Y 2 ) 4 ( r 2 X 2 ) = 1 4 2 7 2 4 ( r^2 - Y^2) - 4 (r^2 - X^2) = 14^2 - 7^2 , or that 4 X 2 4 Y 2 147 = 0 4X^2 - 4Y^2 - 147 = 0 .

I think you made a mistake. It should be -143 and not 151. You switched around the formulas for x intercept length and y intercept length. If you do it the other way around, you'll get 147 and not -147 in the RHS. I tried solving it 3 times. First, I forgot the sign of b, but then, I got the same thing the rest of the times. @Mvs Saketh

vishnu c - 6 years, 1 month ago

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exactly!! @Calvin Lin can u pls look into this!!

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 1 month ago

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I just noticed that your status reads, "i'm just 17!!" That can also be taken as 17 double factorial. That's 34, 459, 425 years! You were literally walking with dinosaurs :-D

vishnu c - 6 years, 1 month ago

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@Vishnu C

facepalm!! but that was a good 1

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 1 month ago

I have already disputed the problem. vishnu c you must too do it.

Abhishek Sharma - 6 years, 1 month ago

Huh !This is really very poorly stated Problem ! But Sakth you did it Nicly. well Done! Thanks

Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 3 months ago

Can you please tell how did you solve ? @Mvs Saketh @kushal patankae

Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 3 months ago

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well let me tell you in short, as i am facing time constraint, incase you need a full solution, i shall tell tonight, but i hope you get it :)

here, firstly know that one rod is sliding along x-axis and other along y-axes,

and circle passes through their ends, so you know the x and y intercepts of the circle, which are given by the formulae 2root(g^2-c)=7 and 2root(f^2-c) = 14

eliminate c from these equation, replace g with (-x) and f with (-y) and you will get the answer (the locus of centre of circle)

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Thanks ! for replying , I think 7 , and 14 are lenth's of rod's not intercept's ? Sorry but i didn't get you ?

Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 3 months ago

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@Karan Shekhawat Yes the rods are the intercepts, (the rods , one paralell to x-axis and moving on it, other on y-axes and moving along it) and circle passing through their ends

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 3 months ago

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@Mvs Saketh Can you please see disput's in disput box ? I really did not understand the situation ! I think deepasnhu disput is valid , please reply thanks bhai

Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 3 months ago

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@Karan Shekhawat Wait let me post solution now,

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 3 months ago

Ohh , This is really very simple case ! So that's how rod's are moving . But I think It should be clearly stated ! And Even Kushal misunderstood it ! Strange :)

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Exactly, its too simple :)

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 3 months ago

Deepanshu , I think You should Post that as seprate question . Atleaste your work and time don't get waste :)

Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 3 months ago

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That's good idea ! Okay I'am posting it

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 3 months ago

shouldn't 2*sqrt(g^2-c)=14??? @Kushal Patankar

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 1 month ago

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I got my answer as -143. I think there is some mismatch between figure and equations.

Abhishek Sharma - 6 years, 1 month ago

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even i got -143!!!

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 1 month ago

Same approach dude :D

Aakash Khandelwal - 5 years, 10 months ago

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