Let α and β be the roots of x 2 − 6 x − 2 , with α > β . If a n = α n − β n for n > 1 , then find the value of 2 a 9 a 1 0 − 2 a 8 .
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We have a n + 2 = 6 a n + 1 + 2 a n . For n = 8 this gives 2 a 9 a 1 0 − 2 a 8 = 3 .
Let me spell it out step by step.
We have α 2 = 6 α + 2 since α is a root. Multiplying with α n we see that α n + 2 = 6 α n + 1 + 2 α n (Equation I) Likewise, β n + 2 = 6 β n + 1 + 2 β n (Equation II). Subtracting (I)-(II) gives a n + 2 = 6 a n + 1 + 2 a n .
Nice one liner by you as always.
Sir, how to establish recursive relations like these ?
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If α and β are the roots of x 2 − p x − q and we let a n = c 1 α n + c 2 β n for some constants c 1 , c 2 , then the recursion a n + 2 = p a n + 1 + q a n holds.
This simple observation makes problems like this quick and routine.
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Could you also prove how you got the equations for this general equations,please?
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@Puneet Pinku – It's the same process: We have α 2 = p α + q since α is a root. Multiplying with α n we see that α n + 2 = p α n + 1 + q α n (Equation I) Likewise, β n + 2 = p β n + 1 + q β n (Equation II). Adding c 1 ( I ) + c 2 ( I I ) gives a n + 2 = p a n + 1 + q a n .
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@Otto Bretscher – Well, what about the constants c1 and c2 you placed in the assumption of a^n . how do we get them.( ^ is used here to refer subscript not exponent)
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@Puneet Pinku – Check the algebra! It all works out...
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@Otto Bretscher – Hmm we multiplied c1 and c2 to the equations. Sorry, I by mistake did not see it. Thankyou very much sir..
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@Puneet Pinku – My pleasure. This is a useful technique to know when dealing with linear combinations of the powers of the roots of a quadratic polynomial.
But still the problem gets complicated as we need to calculate a8, a9 and a10 which is a very tedious job right?
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No... look at my comment below. There is no numerical computation required at all.
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Sir, now I got it. We have to substitute for a10 right so that a8 terms cancel out then a9 terms and lastly we get 6\2 to get 3..
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@Puneet Pinku – Sure! Let me spell it out step by step.
We have α 2 = 6 α + 2 since α is a root. Multiplying with α n we see that α n + 2 = 6 α n + 1 + 2 α n (Equation I) Likewise, β n + 2 = 6 β n + 1 + 2 β n (Equation II). Subtracting (I)-(II) gives a n + 2 = 6 a n + 1 + 2 a n . For n = 8 we have a 1 0 = 6 a 9 + 2 a 8 so 2 a 9 a 1 0 − 2 a 8 = 3 .
From the equation, product of roots is − 2 2 ( a 9 ) a 1 0 − 2 ( a 8 ) = 2 × ( α 9 − β 9 ) ( α 1 0 − β 1 0 ) − ( − α β ) ( α 8 − β 8 ) Opening the bracket and taking common terms, 2 × ( α 9 − β 9 ) α 9 ( α + β ) − β 9 ( α + β ) 2 α + β From the equation, sum of roots is 6 . Therefore the answer is 3
Whoa!!!!Good observation......changed my thinking about this question.Upvoted!!
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How did you solve it??
from which books you get such nice questions.. please tell men few names
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This question is from JEE Advanced 2015 if I'm not mistaken.
Coincidentally, that's the same way I solved the question !
Let a n = α n + β n . From the equation we get that α + β = a 1 = 6 , α β = − 2 using vieta's formula.
6 a n − 1 = ( α + β ) ( α n − 1 + β n − 1 ) = α n + β n + α β ( α n − 2 + β n − 2 ) ) = a n − 2 a n − 2
So 6 a n − 1 = a n − 2 a n − 2 ⇒ 6 a 9 = a 1 0 − 2 a 8
2 a 9 a 1 0 − 2 a 8 = 2 a 9 6 a 9 = 3
I think you misread the question. It is a n = α n − β n .
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Since α and β are roots of x 2 − 6 x − 2 = 0 or x 2 = 6 x + 2 . Then, α 2 = 6 α + 2 and β 2 = 6 β + 2 . Therefore,
2 a 9 a 1 0 − 2 a 8 = 2 a 9 α 1 0 − β 1 0 − 2 ( α 8 − β 8 ) = 2 a 9 α 8 ( α 2 − 2 ) − β 8 ( β 2 − 2 ) = 2 a 9 α 8 ( 6 α + 2 − 2 ) − β 8 ( 6 β + 2 − 2 ) = 2 a 9 6 α 9 − 6 β 9 = 2 a 9 6 a 9 = 3