Subtle Subtraction

Algebra Level 5

x 2 5 a x + 100 = 0 x 2 100 x + 5 a = 0 x^2 - 5ax + 100 = \ 0 \\ x^2 - 100x + 5a = \ 0

Find the sum of all possible values of x x that satisfy the equations above. Note that a a is an arbitrary constant.


The answer is 99.

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8 solutions

Nihar Mahajan
Apr 2, 2015

Subtract the second equation from the first to get :

5 a x 5 a + 100 + 100 x = 0 -5ax-5a+100 + 100x=0

5 a ( x + 1 ) + 100 ( x + 1 ) = 0 \Rightarrow -5a(x+1) + 100(x+1) = 0

( x + 1 ) ( 100 5 a ) = 0 \Rightarrow (x+1)(100-5a) = 0

This gives us a solution x = 1 x=-1

But , If 5 a = 100 5a=100 , we see that the both equations become same!

So , when a = 20 a=20 , Substitute it in equation 1 to give us:

x 2 100 x + 100 x^2-100x+100

By Vieta's formula , Sum of roots = 100 =100

Hence , sum of all values of x x = 100 1 = 99 =100 - 1 = \huge\boxed{\color{#3D99F6}{99}}

There is some ambiguity in this problem in that a is not constant. Two separate systems with different solutions. One system has a=20 and the other a=-101/5.

Seamus O'Dunn - 6 years, 2 months ago

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I agree. The problem poster should include in the problem that a a is an arbitrary constant.

Prasun Biswas - 6 years, 2 months ago

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Ok ... I will add that! Thanks!

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Nihar Mahajan Hey!I don't understand the last step of your solution.Why have you subtracted 100 by 1?

Anandmay Patel - 4 years, 10 months ago

Sorry , But I did not get your point. Can you please elaborate more?Thanks!

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 2 months ago

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He means that you haven't specified the fact that a a is an arbitrary constant.

Prasun Biswas - 6 years, 2 months ago

Really, it's a system of two equations in two unknowns, a a and x x . In this case, there turn out to be three solutions: a = 101 / 5 , x = 1 a = 20 , x = 50 20 6 a = 20 , x = 50 + 20 6 a = -101/5, x = -1 \\ a = 20, x = 50 - 20 \sqrt{6} \\ a = 20, x = 50 + 20 \sqrt{6} What the problem is asking for is the sum of the distinct values of x x in the solutions.

Stewart Gordon - 5 years, 11 months ago

The question does mention that a is an arbitrary constant when I answer. Arbitrary constant: a quantity of function that is introduced into the solution of a problem, and to which any value or form may at will be given, so that the solution may be made to meet special requirements.

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 8 months ago

Very nice problem :D

Paul Ryan Longhas - 6 years, 2 months ago

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Thanks Paul!

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 2 months ago

Can you explain to me what Vieta's Formula is ??

Jonathan Christianto - 6 years, 2 months ago

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Oh friend , Vieta's formula gives the relation between the roots and coefficients of a polynomial. To get information Please click here

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 2 months ago

Did you remember to verify that the three values of x x so derived do indeed satisfy the equation? Sometimes in an equation you can deduce logically that x x has one of a number of values, but this doesn't mean the converse (if x x is one of these values, the original equation is satisfied) is necessarily true. For instance, this is a logically valid argument x = 20 x 2 = 400 x { 20 , 20 } x = 20 \\ \Rightarrow x^2 = 400 \\ \Rightarrow x \in \{-20, 20\} but nonetheless, x = 20 x = -20 doesn't satisfy the original equation. While it's hard to make the mistake with this particular equation, I have made similar mistakes with more complicated equations on Brilliant.

Stewart Gordon - 5 years, 11 months ago

@Nihar Mahajan , could you tell me why did you subtract 1 1 from 100 100 in the end? If the sum of roots is 100 100 , then why 100 100 is not the answer. Please help me to remove my confusion.

Seeku hhh - 5 years, 10 months ago

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Because it does not include 1 -1 in the sum , which we have calculated separately.

Nihar Mahajan - 5 years, 10 months ago

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How is it not included?

Seeku hhh - 5 years, 10 months ago

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@Seeku Hhh We have two cases : x = 1 x=-1 and 5 a = 100 5a=100 . From the 1st case ( 1 ) (-1) is a root. From the second case , sum of roots = 100 =100 . So considering both cases , the sum of all the roots = 100 1 = 99 =100-1 = 99 .

Nihar Mahajan - 5 years, 10 months ago

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@Nihar Mahajan You mean that 5 a x 5 a + 100 + 100 x = 0 -5ax-5a+100 + 100x=0 is a separate equation and x 2 100 x + 100 x^2-100x+100 is separate?

Seeku hhh - 5 years, 10 months ago

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@Seeku Hhh I don’t get how it’s separate . I’m guessing when you substitute random equation, you somehow get different roots

Kano Boom - 1 year, 7 months ago

Is value of "a" equal only 20?

Salah Amer - 6 years, 1 month ago

Substitute value of a a from one equation into another to get

x 3 99 x 2 + 100 = 0 {x}^{3} - 99{x}^{2} + 100 = 0

The required sum = -(-99)/1 = 99 \boxed{99} .

Gamal Sultan
Apr 3, 2015

x^2 - 5 a x + 100 = 0 ..................... (1)

x^2 - 100 x + 5 a = 0 ......................(2)

From Eq (2) we get

5 a = 100 x - x^2

Substituting in Eq (1) we get

x^3 - 99 x^2 + 100 = 0

So

Sum of roots = -(-99)/1 = 99

What an alternative!

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 8 months ago

very simple one

SRI SREYA GRANDHI - 3 years, 12 months ago

great thinking

SRI SREYA GRANDHI - 3 years, 12 months ago
Atomsky Jahid
Jun 29, 2016

I'll add a subtle point too!

Let, x = 1 x=-1 Put this value in one of the equations. You'll get 1 + 5 a + 100 = 0 1+5a+100=0 or, 5 a = 101 5a=-101 or, a = 101 5 a=-\frac{101}{5} Turns out the value of a a is not that arbitrary. It just have two values. a = 20 , 101 5 a=20, -\frac{101}{5}

Am I right?

Aadil Bhore
Apr 3, 2015

By the second equation

5a=100x - x^2

Plugging this value for 5a into the first equation we get

x^3 - 99x^2 + 100 = 0

By Vieta, the sum of the roots is 99.

Aaghaz Mahajan
May 6, 2018

Well, simply put the value of 5a from the second equation into the first one........you will get a cubic equation in x.......Then, by Vieta's the sum of all possible values of x is 99.....!!

Aayush Patni
Apr 3, 2015

Nice solution. But I did it the other way. This was an easy one.

Deepak Kumar
Apr 3, 2015

get 5a=x+100/x from first and substitute in second.A cubic is obtained where applying Vieta's formula sum of all values of =99

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