Just Think of Quadratics

Algebra Level 3

Find x x such that c + c x = x \sqrt{c+\sqrt{c-x}}=x when c = 4 c=4 .

1 3 ( 1 + 15 ) \frac 1 3 (1+\sqrt{15}) 1 2 ( 1 + 13 ) \frac 1 2 (1+\sqrt{13}) 1 2 ( 1 + 15 ) \frac 1 2 (1+\sqrt{15})

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Munem Shahriar
Jan 25, 2018

4 + 4 x = x \sqrt{4+\sqrt{4-x}} = x

( 4 + 4 x ) 2 = ( x ) 2 (\sqrt{4+\sqrt{4-x}})^2 = (x)^2

4 + 4 x = x 2 4+\sqrt{4-x} = x^2

4 x = x 2 4 \sqrt{4-x} = x^2-4

( 4 x ) 2 = ( x 2 4 ) 2 (\sqrt{4-x})^2 = (x^2 - 4)^2

4 x = ( x 2 ) 2 2 x 2 ( 4 ) + 4 2 4-x = (x^2)^2 - 2x^2(4) + 4^2

4 x = x 4 8 x 2 + 16 4-x = x^4 - 8x^2 + 16

0 = x 4 8 x 2 + x + 12 0 = x^4 - 8x^2 +x + 12

We get x = 1 + 13 2 , x = 1 17 2 , x = 1 13 2 , x = 1 + 17 2 x= \dfrac{1+\sqrt{13}}{2}, x= \dfrac{1- \sqrt{17}}{2}, x= -\dfrac{1- \sqrt{13}}{2}, x= -\dfrac{1+\sqrt{17}}{2}

Out of the four, x = 1 + 13 2 x = \dfrac{1+\sqrt{13}}{2} satisfy the equation.

Note that the equation 4 x = x 4 8 x 2 + 16 4-x = x^4 - 8x^2 + 16 has 4 roots. You have to justify why the other 3 roots does not satisfy the original equation.

Plus, it's better to explain how you obtained x = 1 + 13 2 x = \frac{1+\sqrt{13}}2 from this quartic equation.

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 4 months ago

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Could you please explain how to find the desired roots from this bi-quadratic equation??

Aaghaz Mahajan - 3 years, 4 months ago

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No, this is NOT a biquadratic equation. A biquadratic equation is a quartic polynomial with 0 as the coefficients of x 3 x^3 and x x .

To answer your question:

Hint: Start with rational root theorem and prove that there's no rational roots. Next, suppose the quartic polynomial can be expressed as the product of 2 quadratic polynomials, then x 4 8 x 2 + x + 12 = ( a x 2 + b x + c ) ( d x 2 + e x + f ) x^4 - 8x^2 +x + 12 = (ax^2 + bx + c)(dx^2 + ex + f) . Expand and equate.

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 4 months ago

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@Pi Han Goh OK noted.... I always thought that biquadratic equation is just another name of a quartic..... Thanks for the info.....And thinking about it, I realize that many problems could be solved by assuming variables and just equating the coefficients.....

Aaghaz Mahajan - 3 years, 4 months ago

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@Aaghaz Mahajan Not true as well. Not all polynomials are reducible .

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 4 months ago

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@Pi Han Goh But, then we could not be sure whether the root existed or not for the above question. We have assumed the quartic to be reducible and then, if there would be a root, we would check whether it satisfies the condition or not.....

Aaghaz Mahajan - 3 years, 4 months ago
Chaitanya Rao
Nov 4, 2019

Let y = 4 x y = \sqrt{4-x} , so that the equation becomes 4 + y = x \sqrt{4+y} = x where both x x and y y are required to be non-negative, being square roots.

Squaring both sides of these equations gives

y 2 = 4 x , ( 1 ) x 2 = 4 + y . ( 2 ) \begin{aligned} y^2 &= 4 - x, \quad \quad (1)\\ x^2 &= 4 + y. \quad \quad (2) \end{aligned}

Subtracting ( 1 ) (1) from ( 2 ) (2) gives x 2 y 2 = y + x x^2 - y^2 = y+x or ( x + y ) ( x y 1 ) = 0 (x+y)(x-y-1) = 0 . Hence y = x y = -x or y = x 1 y = x-1 .

The first of these options is not possible since x x and y y are both non-negative and x = y = 0 x = y = 0 does not satisfy the equations. The second case y = x 1 y = x-1 leads upon substitution in ( 1 ) (1) to ( x 1 ) 2 = 4 x (x-1)^2 = 4-x from which x 2 x 3 = 0 x^2 - x - 3 = 0 . This has the solutions x = 1 ± 13 2 x = \frac{1 \pm \sqrt{13}}{2} . Among these only the solution x = 1 2 ( 1 + 13 ) \boxed{x = \frac{1}{2}(1 + \sqrt{13})} is non-negative and satisfies the original equation as

4 + 4 x = 4 + 4 1 + 13 2 = 4 + 14 2 13 4 = 4 + 13 1 2 = 14 + 2 13 4 = 1 + 13 2 = x . \begin{aligned}\sqrt{4 + \sqrt{4-x}} &= \sqrt{4 + \sqrt{4 - \frac{1 + \sqrt{13}}{2}}} \\ &= \sqrt{4 + \sqrt{\frac{14 - 2\sqrt{13}}{4}}}\\ &= \sqrt{4 + \frac{\sqrt{13}-1}{2}}\\ &= \sqrt{\frac{14 + 2\sqrt{13}}{4}}\\ &= \frac{1 + \sqrt{13}}{2}\\ &= x.\end{aligned}

Note that for general c 1 c \geq 1 we can repeat the above argument and show that x = 1 2 ( 1 + 4 c 3 ) x = \frac{1}{2}(1 + \sqrt{4c-3}) . (We require c 1 c \geq 1 to ensure that y = x 1 0 y = x-1 \geq 0 .)

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