Compute n → ∞ lim 2 0 1 6 ( 1 2 0 1 4 + 2 2 0 1 4 + ⋯ + n 2 0 1 4 ) 2 0 1 6 ( 1 2 0 1 5 + 2 2 0 1 5 + ⋯ + n 2 0 1 5 ) − n 2 0 1 6 .
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Stolz theorem assumes that the limit a(n+1)-1/b(n+1)-1 exists.. how do you assume that the limit exists before even solving the sum ...?
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Because when he wrote the ans that limit does not exist then it replied that 'YOUR ANS MUST BE A NUMBER ' then it was sure that limit will exist and is equal to a number 😁😂😂😁😜😛😏😶😼👾👾✌
I used a more discrete version of L’Hopital’s rule and knew it would work but didn’t know it had its own name. Thanks.
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Can you explain how you did that? I am trying to use L’Hopital’s rule here but it didnt work out for me.
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see the attached relevant article.. no hopitals rule here
Why can't we assume n=1 and solve further you see I can estimate 1to be infinite with respect to 0.1^(million) say.
how did you expand (n/n+1)^2014
I hope my solution will be comprehensible enough, especially, for those who equip just elementary maths.
First, it's very easy to prove, by induction, that if we have
j = 1 ∑ n j k then the degree of the polynomial obtained(consider as polynomial in n) is k+1.(Note that we're interested in a polynomial of closed form not the form of sum.)
Next, consider the following
j = 1 ∑ n [ ( j + 1 ) k − j k ] = ( n + 1 ) k − 1 = j = 1 ∑ n ( k ⋅ j k − 1 + 2 k ( k − 1 ) ⋅ j k − 2 + . . . )
Using this "telescoping" to help prove the very first result and then it's now clear that the leading order and the second leading order is k and k-1, respectively.
Considering only these first two terms, we get
2 0 1 6 ( 1 2 0 1 4 + . . . + n 2 0 1 4 ) 2 0 1 6 ( 1 2 0 1 5 + . . . + n 2 0 1 5 ) − n 2 0 1 6 = 2 0 1 6 ( 2 0 1 5 n 2 0 1 5 ) 2 0 1 6 ( 2 0 1 6 n 2 0 1 6 + 2 0 1 6 n 2 0 1 5 − 2 ⋅ 2 0 1 6 2 0 1 6 ⋅ 2 0 1 5 ( 2 0 1 5 n 2 0 1 5 ) ) − n 2 0 1 6 → 2 2 0 1 5
note: i have done following assumptions based purely on my observation of pattern 1. coefficient of highest power of the series 1^a +2^a +3^a .. n^a is (1/a+1). 2. coefficient of second highest power of the series 1^a + 2^a + ... n^a is (1/2)
As limit is to infinity,we need to find the ratio of coefficient of highest power of numerator to the coefficient of highest power of denominator.
1^2015 +2^2015 +...n^2015 = (1/2016) n^2016 + (1/2) n^2015 ...
therefore numerator=2016{ (1/2016) n^2016 +(1/2) n^2015 +... } - n^2016 = (1008)*n^2015 +... (n^2016 term gets cancelled)
denominator = 2016{ (1/2015) n^2015 + (1/2) n^2014 .... } = (2016/2015) n^2015 + (1008) n^2014 ... }
therefore answer = (1008)*(2015)/(2016) =2015/2.
Haha I did this too
The limit we want to calculate is:
n → 0 lim 2 0 1 6 1 ∑ n k 2 0 1 4 2 0 1 6 1 ∑ n k 2 0 1 5 − n 2 0 1 6
We can user Faulhaber's formula to rewrite the sums as polynomials with Bernoulli numbers. The formula states that:
1 ∑ n k m = m + 1 1 0 ∑ m ( k m + 1 ) B k + n m + 1 − k ,
where B k + are the Bernoulli numbers. There exist several approaches to calculate these, but we don't need their explicit formulation, except B 0 + = 1 and B 1 + = 2 1 . Applying Faulhaber's formula to our limit, we get:
n → 0 lim 2 0 1 5 2 0 1 6 0 ∑ 2 0 1 4 ( k 2 0 1 5 ) B k + n 2 0 1 5 − k 0 ∑ 2 0 1 5 ( k 2 0 1 6 ) B k + n 2 0 1 6 − k − n 2 0 1 6 = 2 0 1 6 2 0 1 5 n → 0 lim 0 ∑ 2 0 1 4 ( k 2 0 1 5 ) B k + n 2 0 1 5 − k 1 ∑ 2 0 1 5 ( k 2 0 1 6 ) B k + n 2 0 1 6 − k .
The only terms that will survive the limit are k = 1 in the numerator and k = 0 in the denominator. In other words:
2 0 1 6 2 0 1 5 n → 0 lim ( 0 2 0 1 5 ) B 0 + n 2 0 1 5 ( 1 2 0 1 6 ) B 1 + n 2 0 1 5 = 2 0 1 6 2 0 1 5 2 2 0 1 6 n → 0 lim n 2 0 1 5 n 2 0 1 5 = 2 2 0 1 5 .
i will use Stolz–Cesàro theorem 1
let b n = 2 0 1 6 ( 1 2 0 1 4 + 2 2 0 1 4 + ⋯ + n 2 0 1 4 ) then b n + 1 − b n = 2 0 1 6 ( n + 1 ) 2 0 1 4 > 0 , ∀ n ∈ N or b n < b n + 1 , ∀ n ∈ N and n → ∞ lim b n = n → ∞ lim 2 0 1 6 ( 1 2 0 1 4 + 2 2 0 1 4 + ⋯ + n 2 0 1 4 ) = ∞
So , if a n = ( 1 2 0 1 5 + 2 2 0 1 5 + ⋯ + n 2 0 1 5 ) − n 2 0 1 6 when n → ∞ lim b n + 1 − b n a n + 1 − a n = n → ∞ lim 2 0 1 6 ( n + 1 ) 2 0 1 4 2 0 1 6 ( n + 1 ) 2 0 1 5 − [ ( n + 1 ) 2 0 1 6 − n 2 0 1 6 ] = n → ∞ lim 2 0 1 6 ( n 2 0 1 4 + ( 1 2 0 1 4 ) n 2 0 1 3 + ( 2 2 0 1 4 ) n 2 0 1 2 + ⋯ + 1 ) 2 0 1 6 ( n 2 0 1 5 + ( 1 2 0 1 5 ) n 2 0 1 4 + ( 2 2 0 1 5 ) n 2 0 1 3 + ⋯ + 2 0 1 5 n + 1 ) − ( 2 0 1 6 n 2 0 1 5 + ( 2 2 0 1 6 ) n 2 0 1 4 + ( 2 2 0 1 6 ) n 2 0 1 4 + ⋯ + 2 0 1 6 n + 1 ) = n → ∞ lim 2 0 1 6 ( n 2 0 1 4 + ( 1 2 0 1 4 ) n 2 0 1 3 + ( 2 2 0 1 4 ) n 2 0 1 2 + ⋯ + 1 ) 2 2 0 1 6 × 2 0 1 5 n 2 0 1 4 + 2 2 0 1 6 × 2 0 1 5 × 2 0 1 3 n 2 0 1 3 + ⋯ − n = n → ∞ lim 2 0 1 6 2 2 0 1 6 × 2 0 1 5 = 2 2 0 1 5
we can use Stolz–Cesàro theorem 1 we get
n → ∞ lim b n a n = n → ∞ lim 2 0 1 6 ( 1 2 0 1 4 + 2 2 0 1 4 + ⋯ + n 2 0 1 4 ) ( 1 2 0 1 5 + 2 2 0 1 5 + ⋯ + n 2 0 1 5 ) − n 2 0 1 6 = n → ∞ lim b n + 1 − b n a n + 1 − a n = 2 2 0 1 5 = 1 0 0 7 . 5
Let's define S p ( n ) = k = 1 ∑ n k p .
The sums in the limit can be obtained by applying the following recurring formula:
S p ( n ) = p + 1 1 [ ( n + 1 ) p + 1 − 1 − ( 2 p + 1 ) S p − 1 ( n ) − . . . − ( p p + 1 ) S 1 ( n ) − n ]
which I derived some time ago and explained in the following document (in Catalan).
We just need to find the first two terms of the formula for the sum in the numerator and only the first one for the sum in the denominator, as the rest of the terms vanish when n → ∞ .
S 2 0 1 5 = 2 0 1 6 n 2 0 1 6 + 2 n 2 0 1 5 + …
S 2 0 1 4 = 2 0 1 5 n 2 0 1 5 + …
n → ∞ lim 2 0 1 6 ( 2 0 1 5 n 2 0 1 5 + … ) 2 0 1 6 ( 2 0 1 6 n 2 0 1 6 + 2 n 2 0 1 5 + … ) − n 2 0 1 6 = n → ∞ lim 2 0 1 6 ⋅ 2 0 1 5 n 2 0 1 5 2 0 1 6 ⋅ 2 n 2 0 1 5 = 2 2 0 1 5
I used truncated Faulhaber's formula (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulhaber%27s formula) up to second term, i.e. sum (k=1)^n k^p = n^(p+1)/(p+1) + n^p/2 + o(n^p).
We get (here p=2015), Numerator = (p+1) [n^(p+1)/(p+1) + n^p/2 + o(n^p)] - n^(p+1) = (p+1) n^p/2 + o(n^p) and Denominator = (p+1) [n^p/p + n^(p-1)/2 + o(n^(p-1))] = (p+1) n^p/p + o(n^p). Thus, Ratio = Numerator/Denominator = [(p+1) n^p/2 + o(n^p)]/[(p+1) n^p/p + o(n^p)]. For n tends to infinity, the o(.) term can be removed. We get Ratio = p/2. For p=2015, we get ratio = 1007.5.
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We are going to use Stolz-Cesaro theorem here.
n → ∞ lim 2 0 1 6 ( 1 2 0 1 4 + 2 2 0 1 4 + ⋯ + n 2 0 1 4 2 0 1 6 ( 1 2 0 1 5 + 2 2 0 1 5 + ⋯ + n 2 0 1 5 ) − n 2 0 1 6
Let a n = 2 0 1 6 ( 1 2 0 1 5 + 2 2 0 1 5 + ⋯ + n 2 0 1 5 ) − n 2 0 1 6 b n = 2 0 1 6 ( 1 2 0 1 4 + 2 2 0 1 4 + ⋯ + n 2 0 1 4 )
Using Stolz theorem. n → ∞ lim b n a n = n → ∞ lim b n + 1 − b n a n + 1 − a n
n → ∞ lim 2 0 1 6 ( n + 1 ) 2 0 1 4 2 0 1 6 ( n + 1 ) 2 0 1 5 − ( n + 1 ) 2 0 1 6 + n 2 0 1 6
n → ∞ lim n + 1 − 2 0 1 6 1 ( ( n + 1 ) 2 − n 2 ( n + 1 n ) 2 0 1 4 )
Expand the term using binomial expansion n → ∞ lim n + 1 − 2 0 1 6 1 ( n 2 + 2 n + 1 − n 2 ( 1 − n 2 0 1 4 + n 2 2 0 2 9 0 1 5 − ⋯ ) )
n → ∞ lim n + 1 − n + 2 0 1 6 2 0 2 9 1 0 4
2 2 0 1 5