Logarithm Basics Part I

Algebra Level 5

log A ( x 2 + 15 ) > log A ( 8 x ) \log_{A}(x^2+15)>\log_{A}(8x) The values of x x satisfying the above inequality are?

Details & Assumptions :

  • A = 1 3 × Area of triangle whose vertices are roots of z 3 + i z 2 + 2 i = 0 A=\frac{1}{3} \times \text{Area of triangle whose vertices are roots of } z^3+iz^2+2i=0

  • i = 1 i=\sqrt{-1}

  • z C z \in \mathbb{C}


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(3,5) [3,5] ( 0 , 3 ) ( 5 , ) (0,3) \cup (5,\infty) ( 0 , 3 ] [ 5 , ) (0,3] \cup [5,\infty)

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2 solutions

Vaibhav Prasad
May 6, 2015

l o g A ( x 2 + 15 ) > l o g A ( 8 x ) l o g ( x 2 + 15 ) l o g A > l o g ( 8 x ) l o g A log_{ A }(x^{ 2 }+15)>log_{ A }(8x)\\ \Rightarrow \frac { log(x^{ 2 }+15) }{ logA } >\frac { log(8x) }{ logA }

l o g ( x 2 + 15 ) < l o g ( 8 x ) \Rightarrow log(x^{ 2 }+15)<log(8x) Inequality reversed... think why ?

x 2 + 15 < 8 x x 2 8 x + 15 < 0 ( x 3 ) ( x 5 ) < 0 \Rightarrow { x }^{ 2 }+15<8x\\ \Rightarrow { x }^{ 2 }-8x+15<0\\ \Rightarrow ({ x }-3)(x-5)<0

Now, any x x less than 3 3 would make both ( x 3 ) (x-3) and ( x 5 ) (x-5) negative. Thus their product would be positive and hence not less than 0 0 . Also, any x x greater than 5 5 would make their product to be positive and hence not less than 0 0 . we also can't have x x as 3 3 or 5 5 since that would make the product 0 0 where as the conditions says strictly less than.

Only an x x between 3 3 and 5 5 would make their product negative.

Hence, x x belongs to ( 3 , 5 ) (3,5)

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Nice solution!

Kartik Bhardwaj - 6 years, 1 month ago

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THANKS BRO

Vaibhav Prasad - 6 years, 1 month ago

can you explain how to find the value of A A

Vighnesh Raut - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Note that

z 3 + i z 2 + 2 i = ( z i ) ( z ( 1 i ) ) ( z ( 1 i ) ) . z^{3} + iz^{2} + 2i = (z - i)(z - (1 - i))(z - (-1 - i)).

Thus the vertices of the triangle in the complex plane are P ( 0 , 1 ) , Q ( 1 , 1 ) P(0,1), Q(1,-1) and R ( 1 , 1 ) . R(-1,-1). This is an isosceles triangle with base Q R QR length 2 2 and height 2 , 2, and thus has area 2. 2.

This gives us A = 2 3 < 1 , A = \frac{2}{3} \lt 1, which results in the reversed inequality that Vaibhav refers to in his solution, since log ( A ) = log ( 2 3 ) < 0. \log(A) = \log(\frac{2}{3}) \lt 0.

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 1 month ago

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thank you so much sir....

Vighnesh Raut - 6 years, 1 month ago

Sir, Is there a method to factorize a complex numbers just like factorizing a cubic polynomial??

Anandhu Raj - 6 years, 1 month ago

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@Anandhu Raj When the coefficients of a polynomial are complex, as is the case here, the first thing to remember is that any complex roots will not necessarily come as conjugate pairs, (that only happens when the coefficients are strictly real). Other than that, the techniques of factoring are fairly similar. In this case, I first noticed that z = i z = i was a root, and when I factored that out of the cubic polynomial I was left with the complex quadratic z 2 + 2 i z 2. z^{2} + 2iz - 2. I then just used the quadratic formula to find the remaining roots.

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 1 month ago

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@Brian Charlesworth how did u get z^2 +2iz-2? can u please explain

Guru Prasaadh - 6 years ago

@Brian Charlesworth Thank you sir..

Anandhu Raj - 6 years, 1 month ago
Tom Engelsman
Feb 20, 2021

Allow me to expand upon Vaibhav's solution. If we take into account the triangle assumption provided to us, then for any z = a + b i ( a , b R ) z=a+bi (a,b \in \mathbb{R}) :

z 3 + i z 2 + 2 i = 0 ( a + b i ) 3 + i ( a + b i ) 2 + 2 i = 0 z^3 + iz^2 + 2i = 0 \Rightarrow (a+bi)^3 + i(a+bi)^2 + 2i = 0 ;

or ( a 3 + 3 a 2 b i 3 a b 2 b 3 i ) + ( a 2 b 2 + 2 a b i ) i + 2 i = 0 ; (a^3 +3a^2bi - 3ab^2 -b^3i) + (a^2-b^2+2abi)i + 2i = 0;

or a 3 3 a b 2 2 a b = 0 a^3 - 3ab^2 - 2ab = 0 AND 3 a 2 b b 3 + a 2 b 2 + 2 = 0 3a^2b - b^3 + a^2 - b^2 + 2 = 0 ;

or ( a , b ) = ( ± 1 , 1 ) ; ( 0 , 1 ) (a,b) = (\pm 1, -1); (0,1) .

Thus, A = 1 3 1 2 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 = 2 3 A = \frac{1}{3} \cdot |\frac{1}{2} \cdot \begin{vmatrix} 1 & 0 & 1 \\1 & 1 & -1 \\ 1 & -1 & -1 \end{vmatrix}| = \frac{2}{3} , which gives us the inequality log 2 / 3 ( x 2 + 15 ) > log 2 / 3 ( 8 x ) log ( x 2 + 15 ) log ( 2 / 3 ) > log ( 8 x ) log ( 2 / 3 ) \log_{2/3}(x^2+15) > \log_{2/3}(8x) \Rightarrow \frac{\log(x^2+15)}{\log(2/3)} > \frac{\log(8x)}{\log(2/3)} . Since log ( 2 / 3 ) < 0 \log(2/3) < 0 , we require a change of direction in the inequality, or log ( x 2 + 15 ) < log ( 8 x ) \log(x^2+15) < \log(8x) . This now gives us:

x 2 + 15 < 8 x x 2 8 x + 15 < 0 ( x 3 ) ( x 5 ) < 0 x ( 3 , 5 ) x^2 + 15 < 8x \Rightarrow x^2 - 8x + 15 <0 \Rightarrow (x-3)(x-5) < 0 \Rightarrow \boxed{x \in (3,5)} .

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