All That Glitters Is Gold

There are three boxes:
1. a box containing 2 gold coins,
2. a box containing 2 silver coins,
3. a box containing 1 gold coin and 1 silver coin.

After choosing a box at random and picking out one coin, you withdrew a gold coin. If the chances that the other coin in the box is gold can be represented as a b \frac {a}{b} where a a and b b are co-prime, find the value of a + b a + b .


The answer is 5.

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8 solutions

Trevor B.
Apr 28, 2014

We can throw out the box with silver coins. Label the gold coins in box 1 1 as G 1 A G_{1A} and G 1 B G_{1B} and the gold coin in box 3 3 as G 3. G3. You have picked one of those coins at random; the probability that you picked a specific gold coin is equal for each of the coins. In 2 2 of the cases, G 1 A G_{1A} and G 1 B , G_{1B}, the other coin ( G 1 B (G_{1B} and G 1 A G_{1A} respectively) is gold. Only if you pick G 3 G_3 would the other coin in the box be silver. Thus, the probability that the other coin is gold is equal to 2 3 , \frac{2}{3}, so A = 2 A=2 and B = 3 B=3 and A + B = 5 A+B=\boxed{5}

Great solution. I wonder how many thought the chances were 1 2 \frac {1}{2} .

Sharky Kesa - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Haha, (raises hand). Yeah, I had forgotten about Baye's Theorem. :D

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 1 month ago

Yeah, I also thought it is 0.5. Poor me.....Combinatorics always defeats me!!

Satvik Golechha - 7 years, 1 month ago

I know that feeling.

Bernardo Sulzbach - 6 years, 11 months ago

cant we say that the case given in the question will only be possible if the person picks the 1st box....thus implying that the probability is 1/3?

Sahil Gohan - 7 years, 1 month ago

It's standard conditional probability. The chances of picking the box with 2 gold coins is 1/3. The chances of picking a gold coin if you picked the box with two gold coins is 1. So the probably of those two events is 1/3 * 1 = 1/3.

The chances of picking a gold coin from an unknown box is 3/6 = 1/2.

So if A = P(picked the box with 2 gold coins) and B = P(picked a gold coin from a random box), we have P(A|B) = (1/3)/(1/2) = 1/3*2 = 2/3.

Michael Goldenberg - 7 years, 1 month ago

Isn't the probability of the 2nd coin being gold same as the probability of choosing box 3.?

Ayan Bhuyan - 7 years, 1 month ago

With reference to the above solution,I have picked up a gold coin at random from box 1 or 3. 2nd one will be gold if random selection was box one or silver if the random selection was box 3. so, the probability is 1in 2 and the answer is 3.

Yunus Ali - 7 years, 1 month ago

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The problem states that "given you picked a gold coin". If you pick box 3, you only have half probability to pick up a gold coin, while if you pick box 1, you will always pick up a gold coin. Thus box 1 is chosen 2/3 of the times you pick up a gold coin, not 1/2 as you claimed.

Ivan Koswara - 7 years, 1 month ago

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I am confused as to the phrasing of the question I guess- but the question explicitly states that you choose a box, then you pick a gold coin. So yes, you have chosen gold, it is given, but the box choosing seems to be a more important factor here. My logic is this (and please point out why it is flawed)- You chose either box 1 (gold and gold) or box 3 (gold and silver). I believe we can agree that box 2 (silver and silver) has no real place here. So essentially you chose one of two boxes. The probability for choosing either box is .5. Once you have chosen a box, the remaining thing that happens is no longer in your control. So if you chose box 1 then you get another gold. If you chose box 3 then you get a silver. It's not as though you have control once the box has been chosen. And since no gold coin differs from the other it doesn't matter which gold coin you choose, right? I hope that all makes sense.

Sam Ginzburg - 7 years, 1 month ago

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@Sam Ginzburg Yes, I can see that. But your claim that you don't have any control is false. If you choose box 3 and you pick up a silver coin, you throw away that event and restart the experiment, because you're told that you must pick up a gold coin.

Ivan Koswara - 7 years, 1 month ago

This solutions is completely incorrect you have only one box with either silver coin or gold coin since you have have taken a gold coin before. So solution is 1/2. I do not know who approves these solutions.

Samir Shaheen - 7 years, 1 month ago

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This solution is completely correct. Just because it uses a proven theorem you either don't know about or don't approve of doesn't mean it isn't correct.

Sharky Kesa - 7 years ago
Agnes Fung
May 3, 2014

I did this by drawing a tree diagram.

Box 1 must be G1 and G2

Box 2 must be S1 and S2

Box3 can be G1 and S1; or S1 and G1

P ( G 2 G 1 ) = P ( G 1 a n d G 2 ) P ( G 1 ) = 1 3 1 2 = 2 3 P(G2|G1) = \frac{P(G1and G2)}{P(G1)} =\frac{\frac{1}{3}}{\frac{1}{2}} =\frac{2}{3}

a + b = 2 + 3 = 5 a+b=2+3=5

Finn Hulse
May 1, 2014

Obviously, it's twice as likely that you'll have picked the box with 2 2 gold coins, so the probability is that it's the one with 2 2 gold coins is 2 x x + 2 x 2 3 5 \frac{2x}{x+2x} \Longrightarrow \frac{2}{3} \Longrightarrow \boxed{5} .

now since a gold coin has popped out the second box is ruled out , the left ones are first one and the second one .. now since out of these 4 coins[two boxes] one has been picked up and it is gold the left ones are 2 GOLD and 1 SILVER .. so the probability is 2/3.. => 5

Rohit Tamidapati - 7 years, 1 month ago

The question is deceptive, in the good way! There is only one box that contains 2 gold coins. So what we're really after is: given that we just picked a gold coin, what is the probability we picked the box with 2 gold coins? Plugging this into Bayes theorem quickly produces the answer.

Adithya Datta
May 5, 2014

The box containing 2 silver coins is of no use. Leaving that we have 4 coins out of which 3 are gold and 1 is silver. Since the picked one is a gold coin we are left with 3 coins out of which 2 are gold. Thus the probability is 2 out of 3.

Soham Chaudhuri
May 5, 2014

use bayes theorem to find the probability of the coin coming from the box having 2 gold coins that comes out to be 2/3 then, since and b are coprime, a= 2 , b= 3, therefore a+b = 5

Pavitra Shroti
May 4, 2014

I did it using Bayes' theorem

Pratik Ranjan
May 4, 2014

we see the second box dosent contai any gold coin so we neglect it ... now probability of selecting first box from three boxes is 1/3 and if e draw one coin then probability of other coin be gold =1/1 so total probability =1/3 1/1 same case goes with 3box where we have 1/3 1+1/3*0 zero case suggest gold coin has been picked up and remaining is silver so probability of gold is zero so total probability =1/3+1/3=2/3 a=2 b=3 so a+b=5

its 1/3*1/1 and not 1/31/1

Pratik Ranjan - 7 years, 1 month ago

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