Magnetism Series #4

A charge particle starts sliding down a frictionless slope of inclination θ \theta in presence of a horizontal uniform and static magnetic field of induction B B directed perpendicularly into the plane of the figure and uniform gravitational field of the earth. Intensity of the gravitational field is g g .
After sliding an unknown distance l l the particle leaves the slope and follows a cycloidal trajectory as shown in the figure. If on the trajectory maximum vertical displacement of the particle is h h ,
Find the distance l l it had slid on the slope.
The answer comes in the form of l = h cot α θ β l=\frac{h \cot ^{\alpha} \theta}{\beta}

Type your answer as α + β = ? \alpha+\beta=?

The problem is taken from my Physics Book.

Thanks in advance if you are going to post solution.


The answer is 6.

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2 solutions

Karan Chatrath
Sep 12, 2020

Here is my attempt. Consider a coordinate system placed at the point at which the particle just starts moving along the incline. The X-axis faces rightward and the Y-axis faces upwards.

Firstly, we consider the motion of the particle along the incline. As the particle slides down the incline, the magnetic force acting on it is perpendicular to the incline, so the acceleration of the particle along the downward slope of the incline is:

a = g sin θ a = g \sin{\theta} v = g sin θ t \implies v = g \sin{\theta} t

Balancing forces along the perpendicular direction of the incline gives:

m g cos θ = N + q v B mg \cos{\theta} = N + qvB

At the instant when the particle loses contact, the above equation becomes:

m g cos θ = q v B mg \cos{\theta} = qvB v = m g cos θ q B \implies v = \frac{mg \cos{\theta}}{qB}

The velocity along the X direction at this instant is:

v o x = v cos θ = m g cos 2 θ q B v_{ox}= v\cos{\theta} = \frac{mg \cos^2{\theta}}{qB} v o y = v sin θ = m g sin θ cos θ q B v_{oy} = -v\sin{\theta} = -\frac{mg \sin{\theta}\cos{\theta}}{qB}

Now, looking at the instant when the particle loses contact, we have:

m g cos θ = q v B mg \cos{\theta} = qvB m g cos θ = q B g sin θ t o \implies mg \cos{\theta} = qBg \sin{\theta} t_o t o = m cot θ q B \implies t_o = \frac{m \cot{\theta}}{qB}

v = g sin θ t \implies v = g \sin{\theta} t

Displacement along the incline:

s = g sin θ t 2 2 s = \frac{g \sin{\theta} t^2}{2}

At the instant of loss of contact:

L = g sin θ t o 2 2 L = \frac{g \sin{\theta} t_o^2}{2} L = m 2 g cos 2 θ 2 q 2 B 2 sin θ L = \frac{m^2g \cos^2{\theta}}{2q^2B^2\sin{\theta}}

The X and Y coordinates of the particle at this instant are:

x o = L cos θ x_o = L \cos{\theta} y o = L sin θ y_o = L \sin{\theta}

Now that the particle has lost contact with the incline, this instant from now is considered to have occurred at time t = 0 t=0 . When the particle loses contact with the incline, Newton's second law can be applied to find the equations of motion:

m a = q ( v × B ) m g j ^ m \vec{a} = q(\vec{v} \times \vec{B}) - mg \ \hat{j}

Simplifying these equations gives the following differential equations:

m x ¨ = q B y ˙ m \ddot{x} = -qB\dot{y} m y ¨ = q B x ˙ m g m \ddot{y} = qB \dot{x} - mg x ( 0 ) = x o ; y ( 0 ) = y o x(0) =x_o \ ; \ y(0) = y_o x ˙ ( 0 ) = v o x ; y ˙ ( 0 ) = v o y \dot{x}(0) = v_{ox} \ ; \ \dot{y}(0)= v_{oy}

Consider the equation:

m x ¨ = q B y ˙ m \ddot{x} = -qB\dot{y}

Integrating both sides:

m x ˙ = q B y + C m \dot{x} = -qBy+ C

Where C C is an integration constant. Applying initial conditions and solving for C C gives:

v x = q B y m + m g cos 2 θ 2 q B v_x = -\frac{qBy}{m} + \frac{mg \cos^2{\theta}}{2qB}

Plugging this result into the differential equation for y ¨ \ddot{y} gives:

y ¨ = q 2 B 2 m 2 y + g ( cos 2 θ 2 1 ) \ddot{y} = -\frac{q^2B^2}{m^2}y + g\left(\frac{\cos^2{\theta}}{2}-1\right)

Let:

ω = q B m \omega = \frac{qB}{m} K = g ( cos 2 θ 2 1 ) K = g\left(\frac{\cos^2{\theta}}{2}-1\right) The general solution is:

y = A o sin ω t + B o cos ω t + K ω 2 y = A_o \sin{\omega t} + B_o \cos{\omega t} + \frac{K}{\omega^2}

The unknown constants A o A_o and B o B_o can be found by applying the initial conditions and solving gives the following:

A o = m 2 g sin θ cos θ q 2 B 2 A_o = -\frac{m^2g\sin{\theta}\cos{\theta}}{q^2B^2} B o = m 2 g sin 2 θ q 2 B 2 B_o = \frac{m^2g\sin^2{\theta}}{q^2B^2}

Now:

y = A o sin ω t + B o cos ω t + K ω 2 y = A_o \sin{\omega t} + B_o \cos{\omega t} + \frac{K}{\omega^2} y = A o 2 + B o 2 sin ( ω t + ϕ ) + K ω 2 y = \sqrt{A_o^2+B_o^2}\sin(\omega t + \phi) + \frac{K}{\omega^2}

The amplitude:

A o 2 + B o 2 = 2 L tan 2 θ \sqrt{A_o^2+B_o^2} = 2L\tan^2{\theta}

Looking at the diagram, one can see that h h is the vertical distance between the maximum and minimum of the cycloid. This distance is basically twice this amplitude. This implies that:

h = 2 A o 2 + B o 2 = 4 L tan 2 θ h = 2\sqrt{A_o^2+B_o^2} = 4L\tan^2{\theta} L = h cot 2 θ 4 \implies \boxed{L = \frac{h \cot^2{\theta}}{4}}

@Karan Chatrath why it is cos 2 θ \cos 2\theta at the 7th step ?
It should be cos θ \cos \theta .

Talulah Riley - 9 months ago

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I have corrected it. Thank you for spotting the typo

Karan Chatrath - 9 months ago

@Karan Chatrath Thanks for the. Solution.

Talulah Riley - 9 months ago

@Karan Chatrath why is the distance basically twice it's amplitude?
What are the two succesive crests?

Talulah Riley - 9 months ago

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I realised that 'crest' is the wrong word here too. I have edited my solution again. If you look at the solution for y y :

y = A o 2 + B o 2 sin ( ω t + ϕ ) + K ω 2 y = \sqrt{A_o^2+B_o^2}\sin(\omega t + \phi) + \frac{K}{\omega^2}

You see that when the sin term is 1 -1 then y y is:

y m i n = A o 2 + B o 2 + K ω 2 y_{min} = -\sqrt{A_o^2+B_o^2} + \frac{K}{\omega^2}

when the sine term is + 1 +1 , then:

y m a x = A o 2 + B o 2 + K ω 2 y_{max} = \sqrt{A_o^2+B_o^2} + \frac{K}{\omega^2}

Therefore:

h = y m a x y m i n h = y_{max}-y_{min}

h = 2 A o 2 + B o 2 \implies h = 2\sqrt{A_o^2+B_o^2}

Karan Chatrath - 9 months ago

@Karan Chatrath I think it is Trough ,
According to wave mechanics.

Talulah Riley - 9 months ago

@Karan Chatrath I think the mistake in my solution is the moment the particle leaves the wedge, a new journey of particle begins which can't be related with the journey of sliding. Am I right?

Talulah Riley - 9 months ago

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Yes, that is indeed what you have done. The motion along the incline cannot be related to the motion in free space.

Karan Chatrath - 9 months ago
Steven Chase
Sep 10, 2020

Commented code solution below, along with a plot of the motion:

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import math

# Constants

dt = 10.0**(-6.0)

theta = math.pi/3.0
B = 5.0
m = 1.0
g = 10.0
q = 1.0

cot = math.cos(theta)/math.sin(theta)

####################################

# When particle leaves ramp, q*v*B = m*g*math.cos(theta)

v = m*g*math.cos(theta)/(q*B)

# Use conservation of energy to determine L
# Magnetic field does no work

# 0.5*m*(v**2.0) = m*g*L*math.sin(theta)

L = 0.5*m*(v**2.0)/(m*g*math.sin(theta))

####################################

ux = math.cos(theta)   # Unit vector in direction of initial velocity
uy = -math.sin(theta)

ymin = 999999999.0
ymax = -99999999.0

# Initialize time, position, velocity

t = 0.0
count = 0

x = 0.0
y = 0.0

xd = v*ux
yd = v*uy

xdd = 0.0
ydd = 0.0

while t <= 5.0:

    x = x + xd*dt         # Numerical integration
    y = y + yd*dt

    xd = xd + xdd*dt
    yd = yd + ydd*dt

    FBx = q*(-yd*B)     # Magnetic force = q*(v cross B)
    FBy = q*(xd*B)

    Fgx = 0.0        # gravity force
    Fgy = -m*g

    Fx = FBx + Fgx   # Total force
    Fy = FBy + Fgy

    xdd = Fx/m        # acceleration
    ydd = Fy/m

    if y > ymax:     # store min and max y values
        ymax = y

    if y < ymin:
        ymin = y

    t = t + dt
    count = count + 1

    if count % 1000 == 0:
        print t,x,y

####################################

h = ymax - ymin    # h is difference between min and max y values

#print h

####################################

# Find the integers corresponding to alpha and beta

print ""
print ""

A_store = 0
B_store = 0

minres = 999999999999.0

for A in range(1,20):
    for B in range(1,20):

        a = float(A)
        b = float(B)

        res = math.fabs(h*(cot**a)/b - L)

        if res < minres:
            minres = res
            A_store = A
            B_store = B

####################################

print minres
print A_store
print B_store

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@Steven Chase Thanks,,
Can we make anayltical solution using the code?

Talulah Riley - 9 months ago

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To get an analytic solution, you would have to reduce the problem to a well-defined set of differential equations. And then use a symbolic solver (like Wolfram alpha). Numerical techniques can help you find the numerical parameters α \alpha and b e t a beta if you are given the form of the answer. But such techniques cannot give you the form of the answer.

Steven Chase - 9 months ago

@Steven Chase can I show you my anayltical attempt?

Talulah Riley - 9 months ago

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Sure. I'm going to upload a solution to problem 37 soon

Steven Chase - 9 months ago

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@Steven Chase will it be Anayltical?

Talulah Riley - 9 months ago

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@Talulah Riley Yes, it will

Steven Chase - 9 months ago

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