Making triangle

Geometry Level 3

Find the maximum number of regular triangles we can make using 6 sticks of the same size.

Assume: The sticks can't overlap and can only touch each other at their ends.

1 8 6 5 2 4 3 7

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2 solutions

Geoff Pilling
Jan 4, 2017

You can form them into a tetrahedron, like this to form 4 \boxed4 triangles:

Yes you are absolutely correct... ;)

shithil Islam - 4 years, 5 months ago

It doesn't mention that the triangles must be the same size, nor that they must only touch at the ends, so if we used the 6 sticks to make a Star of David there would be 8 triangles created, (6 smaller ones around the perimeter and 2 larger ones forming the main body).

Brian Charlesworth - 4 years, 5 months ago

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Ah, good point, @Brian Charlesworth !

Geoff Pilling - 4 years, 5 months ago

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If the 'same size/only touch at ends' conditions are applicable then your answer hits the mark. If these conditions don't apply, then I'm wondering if there might be a more prolific arrangement than the Star of David.

Brian Charlesworth - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Brian Charlesworth Yeah, I bet there very well could be, especially since regular triangles were never specified...

Geoff Pilling - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Geoff Pilling I've come up with a couple more 8-triangle arrangements, but none with more than 8. I think this will be my doodle-time project for the rest of the day. :) (I've written a report so that Shithil can edit the wording of his question to match the desired solution, if he so chooses.)

Brian Charlesworth - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Brian Charlesworth Does this count for 15 triangles?

Geoff Pilling - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Geoff Pilling Indeed! This reminds me of this problem . The pattern starting at 3 sticks seems to go 1 , 3 , 8 , 15 , 27 , 42 , . . . 1,3,8,15,27,42,... , which has a match here and here .

Brian Charlesworth - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Brian Charlesworth Hahaha... You're reading my mind... That's where I got it from! :)

But wait a sec. Do you mean that for 5 matches it should be 8? Or 1+3+8=12?

For five matches I have 10 triangles, like in a pentagram.

Geoff Pilling - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Geoff Pilling Well, if one of the negative-sloped sticks were removed from your diagram then the resulting arrangement would yield just 8 triangles, unless I'm missing something. But I agree that with a 5-pointed star we would end up with 10 triangles, which is interesting because the 6-pointed star, i.e., David's, only generates 8 triangles. The 7-pointed star generates at least 42 triangles, but I'm only finding 40 in an 8-pointed star and just 30 in a 9-pointed star. There are some variations in how to draw a 10-pointed star, some of which invoke some serious occult implications, soI think I'll stop here before I go too far down this rabbit hole... :)

Brian Charlesworth - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Brian Charlesworth Also, for four match sticks we can get four triangles by removing one of the negative sloped lines and the base in the figure above.

So, does the series go 1,4,10,... ?

Do we add successive triangular numbers each time?

So, can we generalize it to 1, 4, 10, 20, 35 ... ?

Not sure... Just speculation...

Geoff Pilling - 4 years, 5 months ago

How do you know that 4 gives the maximum number? Why can't it be 5, 6, 7, or ... ?

Pi Han Goh - 4 years, 5 months ago

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As per Geoff's and my discussion below, if no conditions are applied the answer can be as high as 15 15 . I have reported the question so that the conditions necessary for the posted answer to be correct are explicitly stated.

Brian Charlesworth - 4 years, 5 months ago

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I have resolved it... We have to make regular triangles..

shithil Islam - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Shithil Islam This doesn't completely resolve it since, @Brian Charlesworth 's David's Star example contains 8 regular triangles.

Geoff Pilling - 4 years, 5 months ago

@Shithil Islam O.k., that helps, but in my Star of David example there are 6 regular triangles of one size and 2 larger regular triangles. I think that you'll still need to specify that the sticks cannot overlap, and can only touch each other at their ends.

Brian Charlesworth - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Brian Charlesworth okkkk I have also resolved it :-)

shithil Islam - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Shithil Islam O.k., great, that looks good now. :)

Brian Charlesworth - 4 years, 5 months ago

@Shithil Islam Yup, I think it looks good now! :)

Geoff Pilling - 4 years, 5 months ago

@Brian Charlesworth Yeah, I think that would do it!

Geoff Pilling - 4 years, 5 months ago

Can you prove that the maximum number is above 4?

shithil Islam - 4 years, 5 months ago

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No I can't. But the person who posted this solution should show why the answer cannot be larger than 4.

Pi Han Goh - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Pi Han Goh I have posted this problem ;) I didn't get any solution that the maximum number is above 4.(I have spend about a month to solution this problem)

shithil Islam - 4 years, 5 months ago
Sharky Kesa
Jan 13, 2017

The most number of triangles formed by ( n 2 ) {n}\choose{2} edges is ( n 3 ) {n}\choose{3} , as demonstrated in Rivin's paper here . This occurs in a complete graph K n K_n on n n vertices. Since K 4 K_4 can be drawn in 3D as a tetrahedron, with 4 equilateral triangles, we are done showing that this indeed is the maximum value.

@Geoff Pilling @Pi Han Goh Here is the proof on why a tetrahedron gives the maximum number of equilateral triangles.

Sharky Kesa - 4 years, 5 months ago

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niceeeeeeeee

Pi Han Goh - 4 years, 5 months ago

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