Mary's radical

Algebra Level 2

It can be shown that for any positive real number r r , the infinitely nested radical expression r + r + r + \sqrt{ r + \sqrt{r + \sqrt{r + \cdots}}} is a finite positive number. Find x x such that x + x + x + = 17. \sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\ldots}}}=17.

This problem is posed by Mary J .


The answer is 272.

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8 solutions

Alexander Sludds
Aug 25, 2013

When we normally see any kind of radical problem our instincts are to isolate and raise the radical to its respective power. In this case we can square both sides to obtain x + x + x + = 289 x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\cdots}}=289 . Substituting in x + x + = 17 \sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\cdots}}=17 we find that the answer is 272 272

We have the same easy solution

Rindell Mabunga - 7 years, 9 months ago

May I add that x + 17 = 289 and x = 272 to make the solution complete thanks.

Rindell Mabunga - 7 years, 9 months ago

omg this post made me understand instead of the ones above :P

Kalyph Dioquino - 7 years, 9 months ago

i did the same way

Alia Al-Alavi - 7 years, 9 months ago
Oliver Welsh
Aug 26, 2013

Given that:

x + x + x + . . . = 17 \sqrt{x + \sqrt{x + \sqrt{x + ...}}} = 17

It can be written that:

x + 17 = 17 \sqrt{x + 17} = 17

Squaring both sides, we get that:

x + 17 = 289 x = 289 17 = 272 x + 17 = 289 \Rightarrow x = 289 - 17 = \fbox{272}

I did it exactly the same way.

Abdur Rehman Zahid - 6 years, 8 months ago

how can the question be written as sqroot(x + 17)=17 ? is there a formula?

Asad Jawaid - 5 years, 8 months ago

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x + x + x + = 17 x + x + x + = 17 \sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{\cdot}}}}=17\\ \sqrt{x+\color{#3D99F6}{\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{\dotsb}}}}}=17 Asad Jawaid As you can see,the blue part is exactly the same as x + x + \sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{\dotsb}}} which we know is equal to 17 17 .So we can substitute it 17 in place of the nested radical and get x + 17 = 17 \sqrt{x+17}=17 .Hope that helps :-)

Abdur Rehman Zahid - 5 years, 8 months ago

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OHHHHHHH thanks:D

Asad Jawaid - 5 years, 8 months ago

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@Asad Jawaid you,re welcome :-)

Abdur Rehman Zahid - 5 years, 8 months ago
Kunal Singh
Aug 25, 2013

Let y = x + x + x + y=\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\ldots}}} . We can write this as y = x + y y=\sqrt{x+y} . Squaring both sides , we get y 2 = x + y y^2=x+y . Rearranging the terms , we get the quadratic in y y as y 2 y x = 0 y^2-y-x=0 . Applying the quadratic formula , we get y = 1 ± 1 + 4 x 2 y=\frac{1\pm \sqrt{1+4x}}{2} . We are given the value of the nested radical as 17 ,i.e. y = 17 y=17 .Therefore , 1 ± 1 + 4 x 2 = 17 \frac{1\pm \sqrt{1+4x}}{2}=17

1 ± 1 + 4 x = 34 ± 1 + 4 x = 33 \Rightarrow 1\pm \sqrt{1+4x}=34 \Rightarrow \pm\sqrt{1+4x}=33

Again squaring both sides , we get 1 + 4 x = 1089 1+4x=1089

4 x = 1088 x = 272 \Rightarrow 4x=1088 \Rightarrow x=\boxed{272}

From the original equation $$\sqrt{x + \sqrt{x + \sqrt{x + \dotsb}}} = 17,$$ we square both sides to get $$x + \sqrt{x + \sqrt{x + \sqrt{x + \dotsb}}} = 289.$$ Subtracting both sides by x x we have $$\sqrt{x + \sqrt{x + \sqrt{x + \dotsb}}} = 289 - x.$$ The left side of the equation is equal to 17 17 from the first equation so that 289 x = 17 289 - x = 17 from which we get x = 272 x = 272 .

I finally understood after reading this solution, thank you! But it blows my mind how you can manipulate the equation and still have it equal the same thing! Infinity defies all logic.

Brian Traub - 7 years, 9 months ago
Jason Deering
Aug 26, 2013

As this is infinitely nested, all x + x + . . . \sqrt{x + \sqrt{x + ...}} are equal to 17, so we will substitute the value at the top level.

n = 17 n = 17

x + n = n \sqrt{x + n} = n

x + n = n 2 x + n = n^2

x + 17 = 289 x + 17 = 289

x = 272 x = 272

Harrison Lian
Aug 26, 2013

First square the equation: x + x + x + . . . = 289 x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+...}}=289 . We notice that the infinite x + x + . . . = 17 \sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+...}}=17 , so our new equation becomes

x + 17 = 289 x+17=289 .

Then, this implies that x = 272 \boxed{x=272}

Ivan Sekovanić
Aug 26, 2013

To begin with, note that any infinitely nested radical of the type r + r + r + = 1 2 ( 1 + 1 + 4 n ) \sqrt{r+\sqrt{r+\sqrt{r+\dots}}}=\frac{1}{2}(1+\sqrt{1+4n}) .

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Thus, we have

1 2 ( 1 + 1 + 4 x ) = 17 1 + 4 x = 33 1 + 4 x = 1089 \frac{1}{2}(1+\sqrt{1+4x})=17 \Rightarrow \sqrt{1+4x}=33 \Rightarrow 1+4x=1089 \Rightarrow

4 x = 1088 x = 272 \Rightarrow 4x=1088 \Rightarrow x=272

Therefore, for the given equation to be equal to 17 17 , x x needs to be 272 272 .

What is n n ? How is it related to r r ?

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 9 months ago

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Oops, wrong letter. Consider n = r n=r here, I mixed the letters up trying to use the original nested radical. Thanks Calvin.

Ivan Sekovanić - 7 years, 9 months ago

Also, it's "find", not "fine".

Ivan Sekovanić - 7 years, 9 months ago
Andi An
Sep 1, 2013

√(x+√(x+√(x+...)))=17 square both side

x+17=289

x=272

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