From an elevated point A , a stone is projected vertically upwards. When the stone reaches a distance h below A , its velocity is double of what it was at a height h above A . If the greatest height attained by the stone is q p h , where p and q are coprime positive integers, find p + q .
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Correct application of the formulas.
To me, considering the conservation of energy seems more natural / faster.
Shorter and better ;)
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It was a very cute problem :) Post more problems on Physics :)
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Lol thanks. Do you want cute or thunderstorm problems?
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@Swapnil Das – May be both :P
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@Nihar Mahajan – Lol. Will it be fine, if the problem is from Electricity and Magnetism section? And please come to hangouts.
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@Swapnil Das – It will be fine but post some more CM problems .. this was a gd one:))
nice solution Nihar
Since the kinetic energy of a projectile is T = 2 1 m v 2 , we know that the stone has four times as much kinetic energy at a distance h below A as it does at a distance h above A . These two points have a height difference of 2 h , so an energy balance gives us T h i g h + 2 m g h = T l o w = 4 T h i g h , or T h i g h = 3 2 m g h . Since the stone reaches its greatest height when all its kinetic energy is converted to gravitational potential energy, this point must be 3 2 h higher than the point h above A , for a total height of 3 5 h . Thus the answer is p + q = 5 + 3 = 8 .
Using conservation of energy seems to be the simplest approach to this problem. It was the first one that I thought of, and I didn't understand why people were using the dynamics equations.
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I used integration and linear algebra --- lol :D
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That's called using a nuclear bomb to kill a mosquito.
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@Calvin Lin – Exactly :D
@Calvin Lin – Anyways, it is killed :P
People tend prefer 1D Kinematics equations more than Dynamics.
Let the initial upward speed of the stone be u . Then the height of the stone relative to A at time t is
y = u t − 2 g t 2 ⟹ 2 g t 2 − u t + y = 0 ⟹ t = g u ± u 2 − 2 g y , (i).
Now the velocity of the stone at time t is v ( t ) = u − g t . Plugging in equation (i) gives us
v ( y ) = u − ( u ± u 2 − 2 g y ) = ± u 2 − 2 g y .
Now for h > 0 we are given that
∣ v ( − h ) ∣ = 2 ∣ v ( h ) ∣ ⟹ u 2 + 2 g h = 2 u 2 − 2 g h
⟹ u 2 + 2 g h = 4 ( u 2 − 2 g h ) ⟹ 1 0 g h = 3 u 2 ⟹ h = 1 0 g 3 u 2 .
Now the maximum height of the stone is achieved when
v ( t ) = u − g t = 0 ⟹ t = g u ⟹ y m a x = g u 2 − 2 g ∗ g 2 u 2 = 2 g u 2 .
So h y m a x = 1 0 g 3 u 2 2 g u 2 = 3 5 , and thus p + q = 5 + 3 = 8 .
This is another approach of solving using time. For the sake of variety, I have posted my solution which does not use time :)
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Einstein would approve of your simpler approach. :)
Einstein approves
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Where?When?
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12 hours ago. He was tutoring me, you see.
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@Mehul Arora – Mehul's Approval ≈ Einstien's approval
Let H be the highest point, and P and Q the two points discussed in the problem.
Let t be the time it takes from P to Q , and let v the speed at point P . Then the speed at point Q is 2 v .
Since speed is directly proportional to falling time,
the falling time between H and P is also t ;
the average speed between P and Q is 1 2 1 v ;
the average speed between H and P is 2 1 v .
Thus the ratio of distances is H P : P Q = 2 1 : 1 2 1 = 1 : 3 . It follows that H P = 3 1 ⋅ 2 h = 3 2 h , so that H lies at 5 h / 3 above A .
Simple, short and elegant.
Let the velocities at height h above A and height h below A be v 1 and 2 v 1 respectively. If the object is thrown upwards with a velocity v 0 , then
v 1 2 = v 0 2 − 2 g h
and
( 2 v 1 ) 2 = v 0 2 + 2 g h ⇒ v 1 2 = 3 4 g h
Therefore,
v 0 2 = 3 1 0 g h ∴ H m a x = 2 g v 0 2 = 3 5 h
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When the stone was h above A, we can write: v 2 = u 2 − 2 g h ⟹ 4 v 2 = 4 u 2 − 8 g h … ( 1 ) .When the stone was h below A we can write 4 v 2 = u 2 + 2 g h … ( 2 ) . Eliminating 4 v 2 from both the equations we have: 3 u 2 − 1 0 g h = 0 ⟹ u 2 = 3 1 0 g h . We also know h m a x = 2 g u 2 = 6 g 1 0 g h = 3 5 h giving p + q = 5 + 3 = 8 .