Mathathon 2020 Problem 3 - Medium

Algebra Level 2

Hungry Horace likes to save money whenever he can (so that he's got plenty left to buy more food) so when he went swimming with some of his friends he had a clever idea to use the weighing machine to weigh him and his two friends for only one 10c coin!

Once the weighing machine has shown a reading the dial can only go down to a lower weight. So this is what Horace did. He and his two friends sorted themselves out in order of weight (they knew that Horace was the heaviest and that Tiny Tim was the lightest), and then followed this plan:

Hungry Horace and Curly Kate put the 10c in and got on the scales. The dial showed 85 kg

Tiny Tim got on and Curly Kate got off. The dial went down to 75 kg

Curly Kate got back on and Hungry Horace got off. The dial went down to 60 kg.

Let Tim's weight be T, Kate's weight be K and Horace's weight be H.

Find : K T H \frac{K}{\sqrt{T}} - H


The answer is -43.

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7 solutions

Mahdi Raza
Jul 19, 2020
  • The three weights are ( H , K , T ) (H, K, T) . Let them correspond to ( a , b , c ) (a,b,c) for clarity in the solution.

{ a + b = 85 ( 1 ) a + c = 75 ( 2 ) b + c = 60 ( 3 ) \begin{cases} a+b &= 85 \quad &\ldots (1) \\ a+c &= 75 \quad &\ldots (2) \\ b+c &= 60 \quad &\ldots (3) \end{cases}

  • Adding ( 1 ) , ( 2 ) , ( 3 ) (1), (2), (3)

2 ( a + b + c ) = 220 a + b + c = 110 ( 4 ) \begin{aligned}2(a+b+c) &= 220 \\ a+b+c &= 110 &\ldots(4) \end{aligned}

  • Subtract ( 1 ) , ( 2 ) , ( 3 ) (1), (2), (3) one at a time from equation ( 4 ) (4) to get the values

{ ( 4 ) ( 1 ) c = 25 ( 4 ) ( 2 ) b = 35 ( 4 ) ( 3 ) a = 50 \begin{cases} (4) - (1) \implies c = 25 \\ (4) - (2) \implies b = 35 \\ (4) - (3) \implies a = 50 \end{cases}

  • ( 50 , 35 , 25 ) ( H , K , T ) (50, 35, 25) \implies (H,K,T) . Now we evaluate the expression

K T H 35 25 50 43 \dfrac{K}{\sqrt{T}} - H \quad \implies \quad \dfrac{35}{\sqrt{25}} - 50 \quad \implies \quad \boxed{-43}

Do you want scores? @Mahdi Raza

A Former Brilliant Member - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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Yes, Sure!

Mahdi Raza - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

Uniqueness 5 Used by only some people so 5 points
Latex 10 Great Latex-ed equations
No Mistakes 9 The last equation has a mistake, where you divided by 5 \sqrt{5} instead of 25 \sqrt{25}
Clarity 10 Clear and nice explanation!
Time 10 First solution
@Mahdi Raza 's Total 44 Awesome!
I'll update the leaderboard, you're the current highest Mathy Mahdi!

A Former Brilliant Member - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

@Mahdi Raza - Did you change that last equation? When I was scoring you, It was a 5 \sqrt{5} ....................... now its 25 \sqrt{25}

A Former Brilliant Member - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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Oh yes, rightly pointed out!

Mahdi Raza - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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Great job! Others will have a hard time beating you now! @Mahdi Raza , you have almost perfect scores in all problems! Check the leaderboard!

A Former Brilliant Member - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

how did you center the equations @Mahdi Raza ?

Abhinandan Shrimal - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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haha Arigato mi amigo

Abhinandan Shrimal - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

Wait, you're still awake @Percy Jackson ??? 😱

Abhinandan Shrimal - 10 months, 3 weeks ago
Lâm Lê
Aug 13, 2020

I used substituting:

From the sums (H + K = 85, H + T = 75 and K + T = 60), we can conclude that T + 10 = K and K + 15 = H

Therefore, K + T = T + 10 + T = 2T + 10 = 60

Subtracting 10 from both sides: 2T = 60 - 10 = 50

Dividing 2 from both sides: T = 50 / 2 = 25

Square-rooting 25 makes 5

From T + 10 = K, we get K = 35

From K + 15 = H, we get H = 50

35 / 5 - 50 = 7 - 50 = -43


Author's Notes

I don't know how to use LaTeX

H means HH's weight and same with the others

See @Páll Márton 's and my Latex guides, @Lin Le :)

Feng Li
Jul 22, 2020

H + K = 85 (1)

H + T = 75 (2)

T + K = 60 (3)

Adding all equations...

2H + 2T + 2K = 220

H + T + K = 110 (4)

According to (4) - (1):

T = 25

According to (2) & (3):

H = 50, K = 35

K/\sqrt{1} - H

= 35 / \sqrt{25}} - 50

= 35 / 5 - 50

= -43

Where is my result?

Feng Li - 10 months, 3 weeks ago
Lorenz W.
Jul 20, 2020

As a first step we can write the given combinations of their weights as a system of linear equations. \text{ As a first step we can write the given combinations of their weights as a system of linear equations.}

I H + K = 85 k g \textit{I}\quad H + K = 85kg

II H + T = 75 k g \textit{II}\quad H + T = 75kg

III K + T = 60 k g \textit{III}\quad K + T = 60kg

T = K 10 k g T = K - 10kg

K = H 15 k g K = H - 15kg

T = H 25 k g T = H -25kg

Now we can take our 2nd equation and substitute T with H - 25. After that we can solve for H. \text{Now we can take our 2nd equation and substitute T with H - 25. After that we can solve for H.}

II H + ( H 25 k g ) = 75 k g \textit{II}\quad H + (H - 25kg) = 75kg

2 H 25 k = 75 k g 2 \cdot H - 25k = 75kg

2 H = 100 k g 2 \cdot H = 100kg

H = 50 k g H = 50kg

K = H 15 k g = 35 k g K = H - 15kg = 35kg

T = H 25 k g = 25 k g T = H - 25kg = 25kg

K ( T ) H = 35 k g 25 k g 50 k g \frac{K}{ (\sqrt{T}) } - H = \frac{35kg}{\sqrt{25kg}} - 50 kg

For the solution to work out we now need to neglect units. \text{For the solution to work out we now need to neglect units.}

35 25 50 = ( 35 5 ) 50 \frac{35} {\sqrt{25} } - 50 = (\frac{35}{5}) - 50

7 50 = 43 7 - 50 = -43

K T H = 43 \frac{K}{\sqrt{T}} - H = -43

Uniqueness 0 same method used by most people
Latex 10 La-text!
No Mistakes 10 The solution has no mistakes
Clarity 10 The solution is clear
Time 6 5th solution
@Lorenz W. 's Total 36 Great!

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Elijah L
Jul 20, 2020

We know that that when Tim got on and Kate got off, the reading went down 10 kilograms. So T = K 10. We also know that when Kate got on and Horace got off, the reading went down 15 kilograms. So K = H 15. Finally, we know that H + K = 85. \text{We know that that when Tim got on and Kate got off, the reading went down 10 kilograms. So } T = K - 10. \\ \text{We also know that when Kate got on and Horace got off, the reading went down 15 kilograms. So } K = H - 15. \\ \text{Finally, we know that } H + K = 85.

T = K 10 K = H 15 H + K = 85 Substituting the red equation into the blue equation: 2 H 15 = 85 H = 50 Substituting this result into the red equation: K = 50 15 K = 35 Substituting this result into the green equation: T = 35 10 T = 25 Substituting these answers into the required answer format: K T H = 35 25 50 = 7 50 = 43 \begin{aligned} \color{#20A900}T \color{#20A900}&= \color{#20A900}K \color{#20A900}- \color{#20A900}10\\ \color{#D61F06}K \color{#D61F06}&= \color{#D61F06}H \color{#D61F06}- \color{#D61F06}15\\ \color{#3D99F6}H \color{#3D99F6}+ \color{#3D99F6}K \color{#3D99F6}&= \color{#3D99F6}85\\ \text{Substituting the red equation into the } \color{#3D99F6}\text{blue} \text{ equation:}\\ 2H - 15 &= 85\\ H &= 50\\ \text{Substituting this result into the } \color{#D61F06}\text{red} \text{ equation:}\\ K &= 50 - 15\\ K &= 35\\ \text{Substituting this result into the } \color{#20A900}\text{green} \text{ equation:}\\ T &= 35 - 10\\ T &= 25\\ \text{Substituting these answers into the required answer format:}\\ \displaystyle \frac{K}{\sqrt{T}} -H &= \displaystyle \frac{35}{\sqrt{25}} - 50\\ &= 7 - 50\\ &= \boxed{-43} \end{aligned}

Uniqueness 0 same method used by most people
Latex 10 Colorful!
No Mistakes 10 The solution has no mistakes
Clarity 10 The solution is clear
Time 7 4th solution
@Elijah L 's Total 37 Nice!

A Former Brilliant Member - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

h + k = 85 h + k = 85 h + t = 75 h + t = 75 t + k = 60 t + k = 60

When Tiny Tim got on instead of Curly Kate the weight dropped by 10, which means: \text{When Tiny Tim got on instead of Curly Kate the weight dropped by 10, which means:}

t + 10 = k t + 10 = k

Substitute k for t + 10 in the 3rd equation \text{Substitute k for t + 10 in the 3rd equation}

t + t + 10 = 60 t + t + 10 = 60 2 t = 50 2t = 50 t = 25 \boxed{t = 25}

Now that we know Tiny Tim is 25 kg: \text{Now that we know Tiny Tim is 25 kg:}

h + t = 75 h + t = 75 h + 25 = 75 h +25 = 75 h = 50 \boxed{h = 50}

t + k = 60 t + k = 60 25 + k = 60 25 + k = 60 k = 35 \boxed{k = 35}


k t h = 35 25 50 = 7 50 \Large{\frac{k}{\sqrt{t}} - h = \frac{35}{\sqrt{25}} - 50 = 7 - 50}

= 43 \huge{= -43}

Uniqueness 0 same method used by most people
Latex 10 How do you make the line that separates the 2 parts of the solution?
No Mistakes 10 The solution has no mistakes
Clarity 10 The solution is clear
Time 8 3rd solution
@Abhinandan Shrimal 's Total 38 Great!

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@Percy Jackson for the line just put "------------------------------" (and thanks for the score!)

Abhinandan Shrimal - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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Thanks man!

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@A Former Brilliant Member No problem

Abhinandan Shrimal - 10 months, 3 weeks ago
Jeff Giff
Jul 19, 2020

This is equal to { H + K = 85 , ( 1 ) H + T = 75 , ( 2 ) T + K = 60. ( 3 ) \begin{cases} H+K=85,(1)\\ H+T=75,(2)\\ T+K=60.(3) \end{cases} Now calculate ( 2 ) ( 3 ) (2)-(3) . You get H K = 15 H = K + 15. H-K=15\Rightarrow H=K+15.
Plug this in ( 1 ) (1) to get 2 K + 15 = 85 2K+15=85 , i.e. K = 35 K=35 . Plug this in ( 1 ) (1) again to get H = 50 H=50 . The value of T comes immediately: T = 25 T=25 .
So the answer is 35 25 50 = -43 . \dfrac{35}{\sqrt{25}}-50=\boxed{\colorbox{#CEBB00}{-43}}.

Uniqueness 0 common approach
Latex 10 Nice colorbox!
No Mistakes 10 The solution has no mistakes
Clarity 7 Could be a bit more elaborate, this is too short
Time 9 Second solution
@Jeff Giff 's Total 36 Awesome!

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