A number's persistence is the number of steps required to reduce it to a single digit by multiplying all its digits to obtain a second number, then multiplying all the digits of that number to obtain a third number, and so on until a one-digit number is obtained. For example, 7 7 has a persistence of four because it requires four steps to reduce it to one digit: 7 7 → 4 9 → 3 6 → 1 8 → 8 . The smallest number of persistence one is 1 0 , the smallest of persistence two is 2 5 , the smallest of persistence three is 3 9 , and the smaller of persistence four is 7 7 . What is the smallest number of persistence five?
(Note : Time limit is not there for this problem, so no points for time, but instead bonus points will be given to those, who can post a general formula to find the smallest number with persistence of n , using code for this will also be appreciated, although it won't gain extra points. The points will be awarded based on the algebraic approach that is used and whether your generalization actually works.)
The points in this round will be multiplied by 2 for no reason whatsoever, so 1 0 points in a easy question = 2 0 points in the impossible question and maximum possible score is 1 0 0 points!
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I saw it, saw your name, and closed straight away, knowing it would be difficult :) Ok, I'll read it to see if I understand.
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Thanku for the appreciation. Ok, try it when you get time. It's more of a geometry problem.
It seems to apply some theorem I don't know of. I'll try it tomorrow, and if I don't understand, I'll check the solution. But I need to sleep.
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No, no theorem is applied. Just normal geometry.
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@Aryan Sanghi – Ok, I'll try tomorrow! I am sleepy.
Nice helpful interesting and brilliant
This is the best solution I have ever seen. I wonder where this genius of yours comes from? @Percy Jackson I thought you were going to post any of the Millennium Prize problems: Link for this impossible question. XD
:| I actually didn't look it up... I should have though. I spend around 1 hour guessing and checking...
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LOL, 1 hour of number guessing............................how are you still alive???
@Vinayak Srivastava - You forgot a step - Post a super sassy solution.
Domain | Score | Reason |
Humor Part 1 | 10 | Obvious |
Humor Part 2 | 10 | Obvious |
Humor Part 3 | 10 | Obvious |
Humor Part 4 | 10 | Obvious |
Humor Part 5 | 10 | Obvious |
Humor Part 6 | 10 | Obvious |
Humor Part 7 | 10 | Obvious |
Humor Part 8 | 10 | Obvious |
Humor Part 9 | 10 | Obvious |
Humor Part 10 | 10 | Obvious |
Total | 100 | @Vinayak Srivastava LOL XD |
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Lol. You're right.
Thank you! Now I will also participate! Take me back!
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@A Former Brilliant Member – Then do it on 0:00 a.m. as it is neither Wednesday or Thursday. 😂
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@Aryan Sanghi – Exactly!!!
@Aryan Sanghi – Its the next day, as it starts the next day or something, and the day changes on all electronic devices @Aryan Sanghi
:) :) :) :) lol love your solution
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W a s i t t o o e a s y f o r a n I M P O S S I B L E P R O B L E M ? ? ?
Vote your answer - Confused if Yes, and Interesting if No
I'm so nervous about whether someone will even post a solution or not, that I'm writing in red, even though I love BLUE!!!!!!!
Code is accepted in any language as long as you explain it and it works properly!
@Percy Jackson I'll give a code sometime later for a n persistence number.
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But in some sites, they also mention a conjecture, there is a number c above which there is no greater persistence than c
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Yes I also saw it. Btw any number can be brought to one digit using atmost 1 0 l o g l o g n steps, which is kinda small. So, maybe there isn't number of persistence 1 5 in base c = 1 0 .
Btw, did you try this problem. You will solve it. :)
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@Aryan Sanghi – Co-incidence I was just reading the problem, I will try to solve in the morning. I have saved it :)
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@Siddharth Chakravarty – Ohk, Nice coincidence. Try it tomorrow. :)
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@Lorenz W. - How to find the value of number with persistence 4 with your code? Please explain as I asked for general formula, also do you want scores now?
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@Percy Jackson A general code will take a bit of time. I'll comment again when I programmed a solution for a general formula.
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Ok, I'll score you at that time then :)
@Percy Jackson Now you can score me. I've finally managed to programm it for any persistance n.
Good Code, I tested it and it works :)
Uniqueness | 10 | Unique code |
Latex | 10 | As there is no reason to use Latex |
No Mistakes | 10 | The code and answer are perfect |
Clarity | 10 | Comments in code make everything very vlear |
Generalization | 0 | There is no algebraic generalization |
@Lorenz W. 's Total | 4 0 × 2 = 8 0 | Awesome! |
I checked for all the numbers from 1.
Since there were many patterns, it took me about half an hour to find the answer :)
And my solution to this problem is, well, persistence!
T h e a n s w e r i s 6 7 9
T h e a n s w e r i s 6 7 9
Code : \boxed{The \ answer \ is \ \underline{679}}
Your welcome @Annabeth Chase :)
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Yayy, thanks😁
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Annabeth, why haven't you made a cool status and uploaded your profile pic like me and Jason @Annabeth Chase ???
@Da One and Only Flaming Mcshizzle Valdez , @Jason Grace , @Frank Zhang Annabeth is here
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I knew it! The brains of our team is here!
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Now that's performance pressure!😂
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@Annabeth Chase – Leave it to Annie to type words that I'll never imagine knowing the meaning of, what is performance pressure @Annabeth Chase ?
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@A Former Brilliant Member – When people expect you to perform well :P
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@Annabeth Chase – I see, but you are the Daughter of Athena in our team, so you are the brains of the team :) @Annabeth Chase
@Frisk Dreemurr - That leaves only Piper and Hazel, because @Annabeth Chase is here :)
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Hi, the five!
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Hopefully they come soon, then we'll be the seven @Frisk Dreemurr :)
@Percy Jackson @Frisk Dreemurr I think Leo got bored of Brilliant :|
@Annabeth Chase mention[9579153:Annabeth Chase]
The answer is 6 7 9
The method of getting the answer is by knowing the fact that after the first step of multiplication,
the number should come in the format of 2 i 3 j 7 k or 3 i 5 j 7 k
i , j , k are variables which can be equal to any number, but they should be there, otherwise it can’t have persistence
An example
• 6 7 9
• After first step, it becomes 6 × 7 × 9 = 3 7 8
• 3 7 8 = 2 1 3 3 7 1
• In here i = 1 ; j = 3 ; k = 1
There isn’t a general format for this question,
and there are conjectures on whether there is a number c where persistence never goes above c
But like how I said, the format I mentioned above helps find numbers with this quality using computers,
and not meant to be on paper
Uniqueness | 10 | Unique |
Latex | 10 | Everything is Latex-ed :) |
No Mistakes | 0 | Where is the answer to this problem? |
Clarity | 6 | No examples to set your proof, as it is still very abstract |
Generalization | 5 | Your generalization isn't clear enough to understand |
@Hamza Anushath 's Total | 3 1 × 2 = 6 2 | Awesome! |
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Bro, sorry man, last time @Percy Jackson , I forgot to hit the post button
Last score change, I beg and plead from you, O brave demigod!
Flattery, doesn't work @Hamza Anushath
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Hahaha, ok @Percy Jackson
Thanks for the reply
It was a test to see whether you fall for flattery or not
@Percy Jackson , can you rescore my solution? I did some editing and clarifications...
@Percy Jackson , one last time, cuz my internet doesn't work so good, it will post halfway
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Hope you can understand
Sorry, but that's too partial....................
@Hamza Anushath - We are talking about multiplicative persistence, not additive, as 679 has an additive persistence of 2..............................your solution is still wrong, and that's why, I'm not going to give you more scores................
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I purposely posted the solution wrong @Percy Jackson
@Percy Jackson , I don't need extra score, but I corrected the solution now. Thnx for succeeding my test. Peace
P.S. Check my solution now, if you want to
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Good solution its better now @Hamza Anushath , but why do i need to be tested? I held up the sky, and only the heroes with the purest hearts can do that, not to brag, Peace......although it never lasts, some monster or war makes its way into a demigod's life............
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Yes, but it is part of the gods' plan. They test you to see for themselves whether you are what you say you are
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@Frisk Dreemurr – Are you some kind of annoying Daughter of Zeus, an your dad told you to test me?
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@A Former Brilliant Member – No, and oh
No, that I am not a daughter of Zeus
And oh, I never remembered Zeus having multiple daughters, or that you were getting notifications from Brilliant
@A Former Brilliant Member – Plus, do you think that I should start a competition of some sort @Percy Jackson ? What is your idea on that?
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@Frisk Dreemurr – Whatever, you do me and Anna support it (as long as its not evil stuff), so go ahead, its a fun experience! Contests are also in the BRILLIANT trend right now aren't they.
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@A Former Brilliant Member – Yes, I think they are...
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@Frisk Dreemurr – I would suggest taking it to science, mechanics or logic though, math can get boring, but its your choice :)
I would assume that there is no generalization since there is no known number with persistence 12. To be honest, the way I solved it was just putting in“10, 25, 39, 77" into OEIS. The first result was a sequence about persistence, which gave the answer of 6 7 9 .
Uniqueness | 0 | Using OEIS won't add to your uniqueness |
Latex | 10 | Everything is Latex-ed |
No Mistakes | 10 | There are no mistakes... |
Clarity | 10 | Pretty clear |
Generalization | 0 | You haven't even tried to form a general formula |
@Elijah L 's Total | 3 0 × 2 = 6 0 | Awesome! |
I will post a math approach, when I can.
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I am assuming you want scores after your algebraic approach.............. @Páll Márton
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Yeah. I will go home today, so maybe on thursday.
Uniqueness | 10 | Unique code |
Latex | 10 | No reason to use Latex |
No Mistakes | 10 | No mistakes in the code |
Clarity | 5 | Code indentation is present, but no comments are written to explain |
Generalization | 0 | No algebraic generalization |
@Páll Márton 's Total | 3 5 × 2 = 7 0 | Awesome! |
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Yeah. I found only a long math trial and error method, but write a code is easier :)
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Ok, your certificate is there in Mathathon hall of fame comments, go check it out @Páll Márton
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@A Former Brilliant Member – Yeah. I got a notification about it.
The number is 679
T a k e i t o r l e a v e i t
Here you will only find a code solution or somebody explaining how to do trial and error.
Shall i score you now? @Siddharth Chakravarty
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Yes, Percy. You can.
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That's Persassy to you Mr. @Siddharth Chakravarty , and alos, why are you talking like a dracaena, did it bite you or something LOL
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@A Former Brilliant Member – I am fine but bored.
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@Siddharth Chakravarty – Siddharth : I am bored
Persassy : I am ADHD and I love it LOL (ADHD keeps me from being bored)XD
Uniqueness | 2 | The unique Latex boxes earn you 2points |
Latex | 10 | Funnily, I'm obliged to give you a ten |
No Mistakes | 10 | No mistakes |
Clarity | 10 | Clearly, I can see that you checked the answer on Wikipedia |
Generalization | 0 | You used Trial and Error Method |
@Siddharth Chakravarty 's Total | 3 2 × 2 = 6 4 | Good Job! |
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO It took me an eternity to type this.
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LOL, 10 minutes to edit @Siddharth Chakravarty Everyone deserves second chances, but it depends on how you use it...................................
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@A Former Brilliant Member – I was bored to put the /text in the latex and wanted it to look weird. So nvm I am like in the contest and not also in the contest 😂
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@Siddharth Chakravarty – Ok, if you don't want to edit, then.........................no prob.
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How to get an "Impossible" problem right???
Step 1 - Open Google
Step 2 - Search "persistence of a number"
Step 3 - Open the Wikipedia page.
Step 4 - Find the sequence, we get 6 7 9 as the 5 th number of the sequence.
Step 5 - Type the answer.
Step 6 - See "Correct! The answer is 679."
Step 7 - Be happy.