Mathematicians and their sons

Algebra Level 3

I got this problem from a book. It was and still is one of my absolute favorite problems of all time.


Two mathematicians meet at a coffee shop.
"You have three sons, correct?" Bob says, "what are their ages?"
"The product of their ages is 36" says Bill, " and the sum of their ages is today's date"
"Well, I know the date" bob says, "but that doesn't tell me how old your children are"
"Oh, I forgot to tell you," Bill says, "my youngest one has red hair"
"Ahh, thank you, now I know how old they are" bob replies.


What is the sum of Bill's children's ages?

Assumption/hint: Assume if two children are of the same age, they are born on the same date.

Image credit: Wikipedia Sloan hadfield


The answer is 13.

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2 solutions

Trevor Arashiro
Oct 6, 2014

There are 8 possibilities for the age products to be 36.

son 1 son 2 son 3 product sum 1 1 36 36 38 1 2 18 36 21 1 3 12 36 16 1 4 9 36 14 1 6 6 36 13 2 2 9 36 13 2 3 6 36 11 3 3 4 36 10 \begin{array}{l|c|r}\text{son 1} & \text{son 2}& \text{son 3} & \text{product} & \text{sum} \\ \hline 1 & 1 & 36 &36&38\\ \hline 1&2&18&36&21 \\ \hline 1&3&12&36&16 \\ \hline 1&4&9&36&14 \\ \hline 1&6&6&36&13 \\ \hline 2&2&9&36&13 \\ \hline 2&3&6&36&11 \\ \hline 3&3&4&36&10\end{array}

Since Bob didn't know their ages with just the knowledge of the age product and sum, the day must be the 13th since it is the only day with with two possible ages. Finally, since there is a youngest son, the 2,2,9 option can be ruled out since two are the same age and there is no youngest son. Thus the only possibility left is 1 , 6 , 6 \boxed{1,6,6}

This is one of my favorite math riddles. Thanks for sharing!

Trevor B. - 6 years, 8 months ago

why must the day be 13th?

Eman Idealist - 6 years, 8 months ago

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becuase its the only day in which there are two possible answers. If the date were any other, then the mathematician would know the sons ages.

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Surely, IF the date were any other, then the mathematician would NOT know the sons ages - rows 2,3, 4, 5 or 8 could be the answer

Jerry Hollands - 6 years, 8 months ago

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@Jerry Hollands .... zoo ops! ....... rows 2,3, 4, 5 or 7 could be the answer

Jerry Hollands - 6 years, 8 months ago

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@Jerry Hollands If the date were anyother, then he would know what ages Bill's sons were because there are only one possible group of ages per date. He knows the date aswell

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 8 months ago

Co-incidentally, 2 + 2 + 9 2+2+9 equals 13 13 as well!

Mursalin Habib - 6 years, 8 months ago

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But then there would be no UNIQUE youngest son..

Krishna Jha - 6 years, 8 months ago

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I know that. But even if you change 'youngest' into 'oldest', the answer the remains the same. That is what I was trying to point out.

Mursalin Habib - 6 years, 8 months ago

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@Mursalin Habib 13, the date and also the sum, remains the same if the reply were "my oldest" but then guesser could figure out the answers.

a s - 6 years, 8 months ago

Nice Problem!

Fahim Shahriar Shakkhor - 6 years, 8 months ago

How did you create that table in latex?

Stewart Feasby - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Here is the latex

\begin{array}{l|c|r}\text{son 1} & \text{son 2}& \text{son 3} & \text{product} & \text{sum} \ \hline 1 & 1 & 36 &36&38\ \hline 1&2&18&36&21 \ \hline 1&3&12&36&16 \ \hline 1&4&9&36&14 \ \hline 1&6&6&36&13 \ \hline 2&2&9&36&13 \ \hline 2&3&6&36&11 \ \hline 3&3&4&36&10\end{array}\

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 8 months ago

@Stewart Feasby It's an ARRAY and you can find it on this wikipedia page

Aditya Raut - 6 years, 8 months ago

really a good riddle.

Parvez Ahmad - 6 years, 8 months ago

Hi. is 13 the answer because it has the highest probability.

Ravi Shankar - 6 years, 7 months ago

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No, it's because that's the not possible day with two birthdays, if the mathematician knows the date, he would have known when the children were born since there is one combo per one.

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 6 months ago
Dallas Carter
Nov 5, 2014

The hint suggested that two of the children must be the same age. This problem would not have a single solution without that assumption. The comment about the youngest son suggested he was uniquely the youngest.

Putting these two together, the only age combination that would work would involve the two older children having the same age and a single youngest child are 1, 6, and 6. The ages of 1, 6, 6 are the only ages that yield 1 * 6 * 6 = 36 that are consistent with the two clues we were given. Adding 1+6+6 = 13

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