Matrix multiplier

Algebra Level 4

Let A A be a 2 × 3 2\times3 matrix and B B be a 3 × 2 3\times2 matrix. If A × B A\times B and B × A B\times A both defined and determinant of the matrix A B AB is 4, then evaluate the determinant of the matrix B A BA .


The answer is 0.

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3 solutions

Mark Hennings
Mar 31, 2019

Every column of B A BA is a linear combination of the two columns of B B , and hence the (column) rank of B A BA is at most 2 2 . Thus we deduce that B A BA is singular.

Thanks sir for the solution .But would u explain further

Arka Dutta - 2 years, 2 months ago

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@Arka Dutta Where do you get these questions from???

Aaghaz Mahajan - 2 years, 2 months ago

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A book named Advanced problems in mathematics for JEE of Balaji pub.

Arka Dutta - 2 years, 2 months ago

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@Arka Dutta Ooooh!!! Nice book!!! Btw, do you have any other books like this for Physics and Chemistry??? Coz I am also preparing for JEE.....

Aaghaz Mahajan - 2 years, 2 months ago

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@Aaghaz Mahajan If u want very challenging problem book in physics. You can try Pathfinder for Olympiad and JEE Adv. Physics from Pearson. It's written by Sachin Singh ( HOD physics Allen Kota). And for chem. I am confused about that subject always.😥

Arka Dutta - 2 years, 2 months ago

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@Arka Dutta Thanks a lot!!! Even I find Chemistry confusing....:P
But hey, if you wanna learn Organic Chemistry, then Solomons is a good read.....

Aaghaz Mahajan - 2 years, 2 months ago

Each of the three columns in B A BA will be a linear combination of the two columns of B B , and so they span an at most two-dimensional space. For B A BA to be nonsingular, they would have to span the whole of R 3 \mathbb{R}^3 . Thus B A BA is singular.

Mark Hennings - 2 years, 2 months ago

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Ok sir. Thanks

Arka Dutta - 2 years, 2 months ago

See David Vreken's solution below. The rank of a matrix can be at most the lesser of its two dimensions. The rank of the product of two matrices can be at most the lesser of the two factors' ranks. The product must be square. If a matrix has a rank less than its dimension and is square, then, it is singular (that is, can not be inverted). A singular matrix has a zero determinant. This is covered in linear algebra or matrix algebra courses fairly early in the course.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 years, 2 months ago

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David's proof, while accurate, does not give any insight into what is going on. The key fact is (the nontrivial result) that the row rank and column rank of a matrix are the same, which is what tells us that the concept of matrix rank is well-defined.

Mark Hennings - 2 years, 2 months ago

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Without any disagreement with you, the original issue in this thread of discussion is that the requester did not understand matrix rank. David Vreken's solution provides an illustration of what you were discussing. I guess that Arka Dutta is at the stage of solving multiple equations in multiple unknowns using Cramer's Rule. The discussion of matrix rank, although correct, was not at the level Arka Dutta was at.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 years, 2 months ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member My reply to Arka expanded on the term of rank to an extent he seems content with - he was asking for an amplification of my proof, and not a different one.

While, with David's proof, there is evidence that backs up my argument (that the columns of B A BA are linear combinations of the columns of B B ) that evidence is not obvious, unless you go looking for it.

Mark Hennings - 2 years, 2 months ago

Yeah it's in our course

Arka Dutta - 2 years, 2 months ago

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Are you studying in college right now???

Aaghaz Mahajan - 2 years, 2 months ago

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@Aaghaz Mahajan Nope . Isn't rank of matrix included in jee adv. Syllabus!?

Arka Dutta - 2 years, 2 months ago

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@Arka Dutta IDK.......In FIITJEE we haven't started Matrices.......Our class twelfth started just this week.......

Aaghaz Mahajan - 2 years, 2 months ago

Yeah. Surely I couldn't get completely of Mark Hennings sir's solution at first. But after going through concepts of rank and the amplification of the proof , I got that. David Vreken sir's proof is also very good. But the exam the question is asked for has limited time for each one. So it's must relying on concepts than a note down proof.

Arka Dutta - 2 years, 2 months ago
David Vreken
Apr 5, 2019

Let A = [ a b c d e f ] A = \begin{bmatrix} a & b & c \\ d & e & f \end{bmatrix} and B = [ g h i j k l ] B = \begin{bmatrix} g & h \\ i & j \\ k & l \end{bmatrix} .

Then irregardless of det A B \det{AB} ,

det ( B A ) \det{(BA)}

= det ( [ g h i j k l ] [ a b c d e f ] ) = \det{\Bigg( \begin{bmatrix} g & h \\ i & j \\ k & l \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} a & b & c \\ d & e & f \end{bmatrix} \Bigg)}

= det ( [ a g + d h b g + e h c g + f h a i + d j b i + e j c i + f j a k + d l b k + e l c k + f l ] ) = \det{\Bigg( \begin{bmatrix} ag + dh & bg + eh & cg + fh \\ ai + dj & bi + ej & ci + fj \\ ak + dl & bk + el & ck + fl \end{bmatrix} \Bigg)}

= ( a g + d h ) ( b c i k + b f i l + c e j k + e f j l b c i k c e i l b f j k e f j l ) ( b g + e h ) ( a c i k + a f i l + c d j k + d f j l a c i k c d i l a f j k d f j l ) + ( c g + f h ) ( a b i k + a e i l + b d j k + d e j l a b i k b d i l a e j k d e j l ) = (ag + dh)(bcik + bfil + cejk + efjl - bcik - ceil - bfjk - efjl) \\ \text{ } - (bg + eh)(acik + afil + cdjk + dfjl - acik - cdil - afjk - dfjl) \\ \text{ } + (cg + fh)(abik + aeil + bdjk + dejl - abik - bdil - aejk - dejl)

= ( a g + d h ) ( b f i l + c e j k c e i l b f j k ) ( b g + e h ) ( a f i l + c d j k c d i l a f j k ) + ( c g + f h ) ( a e i l + b d j k b d i l a e j k ) = (ag + dh)(bfil + cejk - ceil - bfjk) \\ \text{ } - (bg + eh)(afil + cdjk - cdil - afjk) \\ \text{ } + (cg + fh)(aeil + bdjk - bdil - aejk)

= a b f g i l + a c e g j k a c e g i l a b f g j k + b d f h i l + c d e h j k c d e h i l b d f h j k a b f g i l b c d g j k + b c d g i l + a b f g j k a e f h i l c d e h j k + c d e h i l + a e f h j k + a c e g i l + b c d g j k b c d g i l a c e g j k + a e f h i l + b d f h j k b d f h i l a e f h j k = abfgil + acegjk - acegil - abfgjk + bdfhil + cdehjk - cdehil - bdfhjk \\ \text{ } - abfgil - bcdgjk + bcdgil + abfgjk - aefhil - cdehjk + cdehil + aefhjk \\ \text{ } + acegil + bcdgjk - bcdgil - acegjk + aefhil + bdfhjk - bdfhil - aefhjk

= 0 = \boxed{0}

Good solution sir.

Arka Dutta - 2 years, 2 months ago

you are so brave!

王 征宇 - 2 years, 2 months ago
João Candeias
Apr 4, 2019

A n x m matrix always represents a linear transformation from R^m to R^n, an thus AB is a composition of two linear transformations, one from R^2 to R^3 (B) and then another from R^3 to R^2 (A). Notice that the composition is done from right to left since by associativity (AB)x = A(Bx). But this means BA is a transformation from R^3 to R^2 and then back to R^3, which can never be surjective (onto). We come then to the conclusion that det(BA) = 0. (:

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