Maximizing Range 3

A stuntman falls from the top of a building of height H H . On his way down, he bounces off of an awning at a height of h h in a perfectly elastic collision. Immediately after the bounce, the stuntman moves horizontally.

For what value of h H \frac hH will the man hit the safety cushion (at ground level) the farthest from the building?

Assume that air resistance is negligible.


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The answer is 0.5.

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11 solutions

Brian Moehring
Oct 28, 2018

After the body falls H h H-h and immediately before the collision, it has a velocity of 2 g ( H h ) \sqrt{2g(H-h)} downward. Immediately after the collision, the body's velocity has the same magnitude, but its direction is entirely horizontal. The range of a body with an initial velocity of 2 g ( H h ) \sqrt{2g(H-h)} horizontally which starts h h above the ground is 2 H ( 1 h H ) h H 2H\sqrt{\left(1-\frac{h}{H}\right)\frac{h}{H}}

For a given H H , this is maximized when ( 1 h H ) h H \left(1-\frac{h}{H}\right)\frac{h}{H} is maximized, which happens when h H = 1 2 \frac{h}{H} = \boxed{\frac{1}{2}}

what grade is this?????🤥

Jeb Kor - 2 years, 7 months ago

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In the USA, at least, most people don't see physics until grades 10-12, so somewhere in there. It only requires algebra-based physics, though, so it would be accessible to a first-year physics student.

Brian Moehring - 2 years, 7 months ago

You really should demonstrate that last statement. Maximum when d/d(h/H) =0 so 1 - 2(h/H) = 0 and h/H =1/2

Kimberly Rae - 2 years, 7 months ago

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That's certainly one way to see it, but there's no need for calculus.

We can alternatively note that y = ( 1 x ) x y=(1-x)x is a parabola with maximum on the axis of symmetry x = 1 2 x=\frac{1}{2} (this value is just the average of the two roots 0 0 and 1 1 )

You can even see it as a direct result of AM-GM if you were so inclined (though in this case, it's easier if you leave the square root around the given expression)

Brian Moehring - 2 years, 7 months ago

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True enough. My point was that it needs some justification.

Kimberly Rae - 2 years, 7 months ago

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@Kimberly Rae That, as always in mathematics, depends on the audience. If I had given a similar problem to my algebra/calculus students, they certainly would be required to show that level of justification, but on the other hand, they wouldn't be expected to justify a step/method they would have learned from a previous class (e.g. I never cared whether they showed the quadratic formula in their calculus work)

I wrote the rest of the solution for someone who is aware of the kinematic equations and is comfortable with symbolic manipulation of those equations. To me, that already assumes the level of mastery required to fill in all the missing details (in the whole solution, not only the last step).

That all said, I do appreciate your extending my solution in case there are in fact people who have slipped through the proverbial cracks, so you have my thanks for that.

Brian Moehring - 2 years, 7 months ago

Where have all the flowers gone ?

Jesse Otis - 2 years, 7 months ago

I probably should've read the question, as I ended up trying to find some solution for the awning being at any angle (so a generalization of this) and obviously failed (I resorted to wolfram for the specific case of 60 degrees and H=1 and the solution it gave me was 0). My equation for the range, I think, was correct as it does equate to your equation for an angle of 90 degrees.

Affan Morshed - 2 years, 7 months ago

Awesome solution, Brian. What grade level(s) do you teach ?

Jesse Otis - 2 years, 7 months ago

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I haven't taught anything for a few years now, but when I did (in grad school), it was mostly business calculus at the university I was attending. I'd estimate 40% freshmen, 40% sophomores, and the remaining 20% juniors/seniors.

Brian Moehring - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Neat. I tried teaching at the high school level and it was a nightmare; insolent, rude, disrespectful students caused me to leave that level and go to the four-year university platform - which is wonderful.

Jesse Otis - 2 years, 6 months ago
Amr Idrees
Nov 5, 2018

"perfectly elastic collision" !! Ouch!! that must hurt :)

Assume velocity at collision is Vc, the time from collision to hitting ground is t, and the shifted distance is s.

Vc = sqrt( 2g (H-h) )

t = sqrt ( 2h/g )

s = Vc t

s = 2 sqrt( Hh - h^2 )

ds/dh = ( H - 2h ) / sqrt( Hh - h^2 )

at ds/dh = 0

H = 2h

h/H = 1/2

what exactly do you mean by shifted distance? is this how far he deflects from the building after impact?

Matthew Agona - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Yes! Well it is not an accurate term. Sorry about that.

Amr Idrees - 2 years, 6 months ago
N Kansara
Nov 4, 2018

Since the collision is elastic after colliding with the wall all the verticle velocity achieved by the Man will be converted to horizontal velocity

First we will find this velocity

V 2 V^2 = 0 2 0^2 + 2g(H - h)

Therefore V = 2 g ( H h ) \sqrt {2g (H- h)}

Now the horizontal distance will be V × time taken by the Man to reach the ground

h = 0t + 1 2 \frac {1}{2} g t 2 t^2

So t = 2 h g \sqrt {\frac {2h}{g}}

So distance = 2 g ( H h ) \sqrt {2g (H- h)} × 2 h g \sqrt {\frac {2h}{g}}

= 2 ( H h ) h \sqrt {(H - h)h}

Now it will achieve its maximum value when

h = 1 2 \frac {1}{2} H

So h H \frac {h}{H} = 0.5 \boxed {0.5}

Note - to find the Max value of 2 ( H h ) h \sqrt {(H - h)h} follow the following method

First assume that h = xH

So 2 ( H h ) h \sqrt {(H - h)h} becomes 2H ( x x 2 ) \sqrt {( x - x^2 )}

Now the max value of a quadratic is at b 2 a \frac {-b}{2a} here Max value of x - x 2 x^2 will be when x = b 2 a \frac {-b}{2a} = 0.5 \boxed {0.5 }

Filips Bibiks
Nov 7, 2018

Instead of undertaking the ordeal of solving for x, an estimated solution can be guessed. If the awning is high there will be little vertical velocity built up to convert into horizontal velocity. If the awning is low, there will be a lot of vertical velocity to convert into horizontal velocity, but, since gravity will make the man resume the fall, the remaining falling distance will be covered very quickly, with no time to take advantage of greater velocity. Therefore one can guess that the best combination of horizontal velocity and remaining falling time is produced by an awning near the midpoint and h/H is close to 0.5.

Laszlo Mihaly
Oct 31, 2018

This problem has a close relative here .

From the equation of motion: v 2 ^{2} = u 2 ^{2} + 2as, we have, v 2 ^{2} = 2g(H-h)

v = 2 g ( H h ) \sqrt{2g(H-h)}

Since the man undergoes an elastic collision, the momentum will remain constant. Thus, the velocity after collision would be,

v = 2 g ( H h ) \sqrt{2g(H-h)}

Time taken for the man to land(t) = 2 h g \sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}}

Range(R) = (initial velocity)* (time) = v*t = 2 g ( H h ) \sqrt{2g(H-h)} 2 h g \sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}} = 2 h ( H h ) \sqrt{h(H-h)}

For range to be maximum,

d R d h \frac{dR}{dh} = 0

Thus we obtain,

2( 1 2 \frac{1}{2} )[h(H-h)] 1 / 2 ^{-1/2} (H-2h) = 0

Therefore, H - 2h = 0 => H = 2h

So, h H \frac{h}{H} = 0.5

Kimberly Rae
Nov 7, 2018

This is exactly the same as the classic "water squirting from the side of a tank" problem, and as any student of physics knows the range is maximum when the hole is 1/2 way up the tank. I first saw this when I was 12, I think.

K T
Nov 6, 2018

Let's call height above the awning h 1 h_1 , and rename h = h 2 h=h_2 , then H = h 1 + h 2 H=h_1+h_2 . The relation between height and time for a free fall is given by h 1 = g t 1 2 2 h_1=\frac{gt_1^2}{2} . The acquired velocity g t 1 gt_1 is then directed horizontally so that v x = g t 1 v_x=gt_1 . The vertical velocity is reset to 0 so that h 2 = g t 2 2 2 h_2=\frac{gt_2^2}{2} . During the second part of the fall the horizontal velocity does not change, so that x = v x t 2 = g t 1 t 2 x=v_x t_2 = gt_1t_2 .

From these equations it follows that

2 H g = t 1 2 + t 2 2 \frac{2H}{g}=t_1^2+t_2^2

t 2 = 2 H g t 1 2 t_2=\sqrt{\frac{2H}{g}-t_1^2}

x = g t 1 2 H g t 1 2 x= gt_1 \sqrt{\frac{2H}{g}-t_1^2}

At maximum x: d x d t 1 = 0 \frac{dx}{dt_1}=0

g 2 H g t 1 2 + g t 1 2 t 1 2 2 H g t 1 2 = 0 g \sqrt{\frac{2H}{g}-t_1^2} +  gt_1 \frac{-2t_1}{2 \sqrt{\frac{2H}{g}-t_1^2}}=0

2 H g t 1 2 t 1 2 = 0 \frac{2H}{g}-t_1^2 -  t_1 ^2=0

2 H g = 2 t 1 2 \frac{2H}{g}=2t_1^2

H = g t 1 2 = 2 h 1 H=gt_1^2=2h_1

h 2 = H h 1 = H 2 h_2=H-h_1=\frac{H}{2}

h 2 H = 1 2 \frac{h_2}{H}=\frac{1}{2}

Vinod Kumar
Nov 4, 2018

From the laws of motion, the horizontal distance "x" travelled after falling to height h and deflection at 45°,

x =2√(H-h)h.

Maximize "x" with respect to "h",

(h/H)=0.5

Answer=0.5

Paul Dingus
Nov 11, 2018

This can be solved without long equations if some reasoning is put to task.

The optimum distance will be achieved from the base of the wall if, after the collision, the horizontal velocity is equal to the average vertical velocity (meaning that the height h and the distance of the crash pad to the wall are equal). Allowing the horizontal and vertical distances travelled after the collision to be equal essentially optimizes the distance gained from the potential energy of falling from H to h. Since there is no initial vertical velocity after the collision, the average velocity is equivalent to the velocity at h/2. The horizontal velocity will be the same as the vertical velocity immediately before the collition, since it is elactic. As I mentioned earlier, this must be equivalent to the average vertical velocity after the collision. Therefore, the vertical velocity immediately before the collision must be equal to the velocity after a fall of height h/2. Thus, H = h/2 + h, and the ratio is 0.5.

David Lu
Nov 10, 2018

I got the answer by chance ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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